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What legitimate use case can you think of where the benefit of faithfully reproducing currency is not outweighed by the need to prevent the proliferation of cou
by dumpsterdiver 4y ago
What legitimate use case can you think of where the benefit of faithfully reproducing currency is not outweighed by the need to prevent the proliferation of counterfeit currency?
- vitiral 4y agoart, comedy, criticism, praise and fun
- AussieWog93 4y agoHe's not wrong. The 20,000dpi dollar bill joke just isn't as funny in a lower resolution.
- unglaublich 4y agoThis will only reduce the pressure on the currency issuer to improve the inherent anti counterfeit features of banknotes.
- kazinator 4y agoMaking Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; it goes with their collection of wooden nickels.
- wingspar 4y agoAt least in the US, ‘old’ bills are still legal tender. A counterfeit bill pre-holograms and recent security stuff is still usable in public.
- kgwxd 4y agoPeople get the cops called on them for trying to use $2 bills. If someone's trying to quietly pass off fake money, using funny looking bills as a template is a real bad choice. I got a crisp $20 from 1988 out of my banks ATM last week and anyone that even glanced at it noticed it was weird.
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y agoIt sounds like you are onto the real cause. Some countries have dealt with that issue already.
- jabbany 4y agoThis. There are relatively few visual cues for laypeople to detect counterfeit older (and even moderately recent) US dollar bills. There are no UV sensitive areas, the watermark line is rather faint and there's no special stuff like holographic images, transparent inserts or metal foils etc. The only way I've really seen people check medium denomination ($10s, $20s, $50s) bills is via an iodine pen test which would react to starch in regular paper but is un-reactive on real bills which are actually printed on a fabric-based material. For large denominations ($100s) many places just don't accept them...
- eesmith 4y agoSome people (James Randi in particular) spray starch on real bills to increase the false negative rate. http://archive.randi.org/site/jr/070105quality.html#7 http://archive.randi.org/site/jr/070105quality.html#7 That link also contains an account of the problems someone faced when using that technique.
- Double_a_92 4y agoWhat are other causes that make the pen fail? How does starch randomly end up on money?
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- JellyBeanThief 4y ago> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; it goes with their collection of wooden nickels. Define "obviously". Black and white on copy paper? Sure. But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? That's different. Forget the fibers and the holograms--we're not worried about people printing $20s and $100s to buy a high-end TV. It's singles and fives for groceries and household essentials that are the real pull. If a cashier is handed three fives and seven ones and has to spend two seconds scrutinizing each bill because one in ten people are trying to pass counterfeits they printed at home, that's going to slow things down.
- kazinator 4y ago> But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? Someone pulling off right color and feel is not going to be stopped by CBCDG's crusade to put some nonsense into Adobe Photoshop.
- KerrAvon 4y agoYes, the feel of the paper in particular is impossible to casually replicate. However, what makes you think a particular minimum wage employee can actually feel the paper? People get injuries that affect their senses in weird ways. It’s still not fair to say that they “deserve it.” That said, I agree that Photoshop should not have this code. It’s on the Photoshop user to not be an asshole. That shouldn’t be Adobe’s problem.
- unosama 4y agoThe worker could be blind too. Who's to say with those poor, ignorant minimum wagies
- fhsm 4y agoThe physical object is so distinctive that it is hard for me to imagine photo printing being a critical step in faking it - https://www.littletoncoin.com/shop/How-Paper-Money-Is-Made https://www.littletoncoin.com/shop/How-Paper-Money-Is-Made . The paper is the most instantaneously obvious to me - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/moolah/anatomypaper.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/moolah/anatomypaper.html - just think how different real money is from Monopoly money when handled. With COVID it seems that more cashiers are wearing rubber gloves. Do rubber gloves substantially diminished the tactile advantage of real currency? Hopefully not as it would be easy to pick these softer targets from a safe distance. The paper has an interesting bit of history too - https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/crane-has-provided-the-paper-for-us-money-for-centuries-now-its-going-global/2013/12/13/9aa4190a-5c39-11e3-be07-006c776266ed_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/crane-has-pr...
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- treeman79 4y agoSchool lunch lady had a habit of accepting Bill Clinton 3 dollar bills. Spending real 2 dollar bills will freak some people out. Some people just aren’t clued in.
- zenexer 4y agoIf you were in charge of collecting money for school lunches, and a kid happened to try to pay for lunch with fake money, would you object? If you could feign ignorance and say you just didn’t know it was fake, would you let it slide, or would you tell the kid they won’t be eating today? Maybe they’re just messing with you, or maybe they don’t actually have the money. It’s possible the lunch lady didn’t know, it’s possible she didn’t care, or it’s possible she knew exactly what she was doing.
- sircastor 4y ago> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; Nobody deserves to be defrauded.
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- dreadlordbone 4y agoIf it saves at least one person from being defrauded...
- Asooka 4y agoNobody deserves shit in their pants, but the world isn't obligated to wipe their arse either.
- kube-system 4y ago> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it This is easy to say from a position of privilege, but the people trying to pass fake banknotes will just find weak targets. In hurried situations, in the dark, to the elderly, disabled, preoccupied, etc.
- devwastaken 4y agoSafety vs freedom. If we continue to conjure hypotheticals and remove responsibility from the individual then you will be the cause of the issue, not the solution. The overwhelming majority of transactions are not even cash anymore. I would not throw around the word "privledged" like a triangle that fits in every hole. Or else it loses it's intended meaning.
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- kube-system 4y agoThis outcome is freedom. Adobe chose to voluntarily add CDS to photoshop. Their software, their choice. Nothing here is hypothetical. Scams exist precisely because they do fool people. To say that people “deserve” to be scammed is either a statement made from a malice or from a disconnect of the reality of who falls victim to scams. If someone has never even considered that someone’s disability (as one example) would make a person a target for a scam, then yes, I am very comfortable calling them privileged. Sloppy counterfeiters aren’t passing off fake bills to rich educated bankers, they’re handing them off to people they think will fall for it. They’re looking for people who look like they’ll make easy victims. These people don’t deserve to be cheated.
- kazinator 4y agoWhat I was referring to was something like people being scammed by someone who just scanned some paper money, did some image manipulation on it with their PC, then printed it on some 8.5x11 paper from Staples and cut it up. That's what Adobe is trying to prevent. A sophisticated counterfeiter won't be deterred by some "ethics theatre" in Adobe Photoshop.
- npteljes 4y ago>People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it Absolutely they don't. I get the point that one needs to look out for themselves, but if you say "people", you include the elderly and people with various impairments, and neither deserve to be treated like this.
- copperx 4y ago> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it Have you ever heard of decreased vision and impaired sensation? Should people with these disabilities be prohibited from working as cashiers?
- rosnd 4y agoHaving produced copies of holograms in the past, I definitely had to draw them in Photoshop (Illustrator really). Same goes for features like transparencies, watermarks, etc.
- Tangurena2 4y agoBars tend to be dimly lit. This makes detecting counterfeits extremely difficult. Many retail locations in the US hire young people to be cashiers. These people do not have the experience handling cash that older people have. They get almost zero training on what banknotes are supposed to look like. Despite it being illegal in most states to do so, when those cashiers accept a counterfeit bill, the store managers try to take the money out of the pay of those cashiers. My dad had macular degeneration. Towards the end of his life, he had to depend on the large numbers on banknotes. By the time he died, he could no longer read them and had to use credit cards exclusively.
- thewebcount 4y agoSeveral artists who work on stock photography had a huge problem with this came out and they couldn’t make images of money, which are very popular for financial websites and periodicals. Go browse through Getty Images and see how many photos there are of money!
- hakfoo 4y agoIf you sell currency as a collectible, people are going to want a high-quality scan on the product page to confirm that the note is as described; a few folds can subtract hundreds of dollars from the sales price. There's a couple firms who maintain reference catalogs for this sort of thing. At least one of them regularly asks for 300-dpi scans of new issues so they can keep the book (which is now basically a PDF released as a subscription) up to date.
- matheusmoreira 4y agoIt doesn't matter whether or not the use case is "legitimate". The software must obey the user. If I tell the software to process the image of a bank note, that's exactly what it should do. Without complaining, warnings or refusal.
- robotresearcher 4y agoPhotoshop does not copy banknotes. Neither does Tetris. Software authors are free to limit the scope of their functionality. Use another bitmap editor for banknote images, you have plenty of choice. If you use Free Software you can inspect and change the source if it doesn't do what you want.
- throwaway1851 4y agoI look at this differently. I see an intrusive restriction on the private use of a general purpose tool, and ask: is this intrusion necessary? Do restrictions like this even serve as a road bump for real counterfeiting operations? Or do they exist to create a sense of ubiquitous surveillance? To lower the general public’s baseline expectations for autonomy and privacy? To drop another anchor that can be used to justify unrelated intrusions in the future?
- cowtools 4y agoConsider it a form of universal basic income
- unosama 4y agoIt's not my software's job to decide what use cases are valid.
- synicalx 4y agoCausing inflation? Oh wait sorry that's the governments reason for printing money
- beaker52 4y ago> What legitimate use case can you think of where the benefit of faithfully reproducing currency is not outweighed by the need to prevent the proliferation of counterfeit currency? There's a joke about a famous prophet in there somewhere. And I jest, but there's a point in my quip too: Annoyingly getting in the way of creative workflows probably does very little to prevent actual counterfeiting in comparison to what it does to enhance the piety surrounding our increasingly digital origami deity.