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So you are saying that folding in a cross platform company into the platform is a platform advantage... but not a concentration of market power? Apple changed t

by atchoo 4y ago

So you are saying that folding in a cross platform company into the platform is a platform advantage... but not a concentration of market power? Apple changed the price of Dark Sky on other platforms to infinity but on it's platform to zero.

freetime2 4y ago
I agree that it's a concentration of market power. I disagree that government intervention is necessary or beneficial here.
- atchoo 4y ago
  One example should be enough to see a problem. Do you not see a problem of Apple denuding other platforms all independent applications? They've taken what... Siri, Shazam, NextVR, Dark Skies off other platforms. How would you quantify your limit if not one? They block Firefox/Opera in preference to their own, they impose undue costs on Spotify etc. I see a need for separation of pipes and content. Break up the apple App business and it's platform otherwise the market abuse will continue.
  - freetime2 4y ago
    > Do you not see a problem of Apple denuding other platforms all independent applications? There are ~3.3 million apps on Android. So no, I do not see the possibility of Apple denuding Android of all independent apps as a realistic concern. > How would you quantify your limit if not one? I don’t think setting a limit on the number of companies that Apple can acquire is the correct way to frame the question. Instead I think you need to take a look at each acquisition independently and look at things like the percentage of market share they are acquiring, what alternatives exist in the market, etc. I’m fairly sure Dark Sky never had a dominant market share, and plenty of alternative weather apps exist, so I really don’t see this as an anti-trust issue.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Shazam is still available on Android and Apple announced that WeatherKit will be available for Android. But more to the point, Android is backed by Google - a company with a 1T+ market cap. If Google can’t keep up with Apple, it’s not because of lack resources. It’s because Google has the attention span of crack addled flea.
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      Even if google keeps up, which would negate the "platform advantage" part of the equation, that's still a concentration of market power into just two companies.

by atchoo 4y ago

freetime2 4y ago

I agree that it's a concentration of market power. I disagree that government intervention is necessary or beneficial here.

atchoo 4y ago
One example should be enough to see a problem. Do you not see a problem of Apple denuding other platforms all independent applications? They've taken what... Siri, Shazam, NextVR, Dark Skies off other platforms. How would you quantify your limit if not one? They block Firefox/Opera in preference to their own, they impose undue costs on Spotify etc. I see a need for separation of pipes and content. Break up the apple App business and it's platform otherwise the market abuse will continue.
- freetime2 4y ago
  > Do you not see a problem of Apple denuding other platforms all independent applications? There are ~3.3 million apps on Android. So no, I do not see the possibility of Apple denuding Android of all independent apps as a realistic concern. > How would you quantify your limit if not one? I don’t think setting a limit on the number of companies that Apple can acquire is the correct way to frame the question. Instead I think you need to take a look at each acquisition independently and look at things like the percentage of market share they are acquiring, what alternatives exist in the market, etc. I’m fairly sure Dark Sky never had a dominant market share, and plenty of alternative weather apps exist, so I really don’t see this as an anti-trust issue.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Shazam is still available on Android and Apple announced that WeatherKit will be available for Android. But more to the point, Android is backed by Google - a company with a 1T+ market cap. If Google can’t keep up with Apple, it’s not because of lack resources. It’s because Google has the attention span of crack addled flea.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    Even if google keeps up, which would negate the "platform advantage" part of the equation, that's still a concentration of market power into just two companies.