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If that's what you think my response says then you didn't read it at all. I literally said that I would tell people "we just don't know, and so it should be avo

by tedivm 4y ago

If that's what you think my response says then you didn't read it at all. I literally said that I would tell people "we just don't know, and so it should be avoided". Not "we don't know". I said "We don't know, so avoid it". That's a very different statement than what you're quoting- literally the exact opposite of your "it's not safe" quote.

dTal 4y ago
It does seem like a weak reply to me - it's too equivocal. "We don't know" implies that it's anybody's guess, and that it should be avoided only out of an abundance of caution. Some people will interpret that response as "there's no evidence it's bad, so it's probably fine." In fact there's plenty of evidence it's bad, both direct (the linked study is not the only one) and indirect (we know that smoking in pregnancy is bad, and that drugs affect the fetus, and that fetuses are sensitive). If you polled medical professionals, they would all say it's probably bad. The likelihood that it's perfectly fine is small.
sbaiddn 4y ago
Inhaling any burnt organic matter is known to be bad for peoples health. Theres a mechanistic explanation for it too: smoking causes incomplete combustion of organic matter creating a soup of volatile organics and slew of carbon particulates, many with activated surfaces. CO, formaldehyde, CN, etc. even CO2 which is toxic at high concentrations (its not merely an asphyxiant like it is for a fire). Smoke is bad. Full stop. exposure to smoke, cigarettes, diesel fumes, interstate, etc while pregnant is harmful to the baby. This has been known for decades. So the answer should have been: "we don't know the effects specifically of pot on pregnancy, but we know smoking is bad while pregnant. So, while we don't know about pot-cookies, joints are bad."
- tedivm 4y ago
  Pretty much everyone I know who uses cannabis vaporizes these days, so no burning involved. That said these sketchy vape cartridges are pretty scary at times and I'd love to see that regulated and tested like tobacco products are. Regardless of how it's ingested though I imagine that once it gets into the bloodstream it's getting into the fetus, and I'd absolutely want a bunch of high quality peer reviewed studies saying that it's safe before I'd be willing to indulge while pregnant (not that it's an option for me, testicles and all).
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > So the answer should have been: "we don't know the effects specifically of pot on pregnancy, but we know smoking is bad while pregnant. So, while we don't know about pot-cookies, joints are bad." No it should not have been. You removed all warning outside of smoking, and that's reckless.
  - sbaiddn 4y ago
    My point was to highlight that even the most pro-pot advocate cannot deny the harm of smoke. Of course marijuana is dumb during pregnancy - we don't even let women eat brie for the remote chance it might cause food poisoning

by tedivm 4y ago

dTal 4y ago

It does seem like a weak reply to me - it's too equivocal. "We don't know" implies that it's anybody's guess, and that it should be avoided only out of an abundance of caution. Some people will interpret that response as "there's no evidence it's bad, so it's probably fine." In fact there's plenty of evidence it's bad, both direct (the linked study is not the only one) and indirect (we know that smoking in pregnancy is bad, and that drugs affect the fetus, and that fetuses are sensitive). If you polled medical professionals, they would all say it's probably bad. The likelihood that it's perfectly fine is small.

sbaiddn 4y ago

Inhaling any burnt organic matter is known to be bad for peoples health. Theres a mechanistic explanation for it too: smoking causes incomplete combustion of organic matter creating a soup of volatile organics and slew of carbon particulates, many with activated surfaces. CO, formaldehyde, CN, etc. even CO2 which is toxic at high concentrations (its not merely an asphyxiant like it is for a fire). Smoke is bad. Full stop. exposure to smoke, cigarettes, diesel fumes, interstate, etc while pregnant is harmful to the baby. This has been known for decades. So the answer should have been: "we don't know the effects specifically of pot on pregnancy, but we know smoking is bad while pregnant. So, while we don't know about pot-cookies, joints are bad."

tedivm 4y ago
Pretty much everyone I know who uses cannabis vaporizes these days, so no burning involved. That said these sketchy vape cartridges are pretty scary at times and I'd love to see that regulated and tested like tobacco products are. Regardless of how it's ingested though I imagine that once it gets into the bloodstream it's getting into the fetus, and I'd absolutely want a bunch of high quality peer reviewed studies saying that it's safe before I'd be willing to indulge while pregnant (not that it's an option for me, testicles and all).
Dylan16807 4y ago
> So the answer should have been: "we don't know the effects specifically of pot on pregnancy, but we know smoking is bad while pregnant. So, while we don't know about pot-cookies, joints are bad." No it should not have been. You removed all warning outside of smoking, and that's reckless.
- sbaiddn 4y ago
  My point was to highlight that even the most pro-pot advocate cannot deny the harm of smoke. Of course marijuana is dumb during pregnancy - we don't even let women eat brie for the remote chance it might cause food poisoning