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I am curious, I’ve seen several people recently quite proud they cause environmental harm. I can understand ignorance, I can get you believe something contrary

I am curious, I’ve seen several people recently quite proud they cause environmental harm. I can understand ignorance, I can get you believe something contrary; I just can’t fathom why you’re pleased that you’re actively causing harm for the planet we all live on.

ohCh6zos 4y ago
Eating meat is part of the good and moral life, and while we need to take care of the planet we need to preserve the good.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  Can you elaborate on why eating meat specifically is good and moral?
  - ohCh6zos 4y ago
    I should start this by saying I don't support forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to, and for environmental reasons I very rarely eat meat. That being said I believe everyone aught to eat at least a little meat because we are omnivores and it is advantageous for us to be able to, we don't know what the future holds and in evolution if you don't use it you lose it.
- rtev 4y ago
  (citation needed)
black_light_man 4y ago
- plonk 4y ago
  I don't understand why every discussion about climate change ends up with this comment. We know, the rock and the bacteria will be fine, that's obviously not what people worry about. We care about the Earth because it sustains us.
  - black_light_man 4y ago
endtime 4y ago
My guess is that it's less about the environmental harm, and more about spiting preachy evangelists.
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  Dunno, the top level comments to studies like this (like the current thread) are often preachy, defensive posts about keeping meat in their diet despite TFA. People like lashing out to defend their world view.
mrelectric 4y ago
I just really like meat.
- neuralRiot 4y ago
aunty_helen 4y ago
It's not a pride thing, entropy increases with all life. Does eating meat make any kind of significant difference for me or my footprint? Probably not significantly. Do I want to live gen-less and eat beans and rice? No. I should also mention, apparently mossy earth plants a tree or two for me each month. Perhaps you'd like to join them in offsetting your lifestyle (whatever that may be).
- drekk 4y ago
  Eating meat is the second largest contribution to lifestyle emissions generally after having children. It takes a thousand gallons of water to produce a typical burger patty. You can have as many of those in the desert as you'd like. Heck, we even grow the alfalfa to feed those cows in the desert. People act like going vegetarian is some giant sacrifice. It's not that hard. Westerners just view it as poor people stuff. If you want meat to be a luxury so bad then let's cut the subsidies and see what the real cost of it is when you factor in the actual impact.
  - aunty_helen 4y ago
    Very American centric farming practices and concerns you have. Not everywhere grows 2 acres of corn to feed to livestock. I grew up on a farm in New Zealand, water is plentiful, cows eat grass and are calved on milk that for one reason or another would be wasted otherwise. Processing of the meat was done in the paddock by a home kill butcher. In the same way people like going on cruises but don’t worry about how much bunker fuel it burns, I like eating meat and will continue to do so. If you want to be vegetarian great, but I’m making a lifestyle choice that I’ll eat meat because I enjoy it and all of the dishes that can’t be made without it.
    - neuralRiot 4y ago
      See my “box” above and all its content, I’ll summarize -“I only eat meat/eggs/milk from my uncle’s farm” - “I only eat what I hunt, kill, fish, trap, find” - “Plants have feelings too!” - “Studies are not conclusive/improperly done/biased/too old” - “I love meat” -“Lab meat is the future” - “ But mice/bees/small animals/ butterflies/ bedbugs in fields” - “Plant based diets are elitist” - “Protein tho” - “B12 tho” - “A friend of the brother of the neighbor of my dentist ended in the hospital after trying to be vegan for 6 hours.” After being vegan for 10+ years I’ve heard everything, you know what all sounds to me? “I don’t care enough to make the slightest effort”.

ohCh6zos 4y ago

Eating meat is part of the good and moral life, and while we need to take care of the planet we need to preserve the good.

AlexandrB 4y ago
Can you elaborate on why eating meat specifically is good and moral?
- ohCh6zos 4y ago
  I should start this by saying I don't support forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to, and for environmental reasons I very rarely eat meat. That being said I believe everyone aught to eat at least a little meat because we are omnivores and it is advantageous for us to be able to, we don't know what the future holds and in evolution if you don't use it you lose it.
rtev 4y ago
(citation needed)

black_light_man 4y ago

plonk 4y ago
I don't understand why every discussion about climate change ends up with this comment. We know, the rock and the bacteria will be fine, that's obviously not what people worry about. We care about the Earth because it sustains us.
- black_light_man 4y ago

endtime 4y ago

My guess is that it's less about the environmental harm, and more about spiting preachy evangelists.

hombre_fatal 4y ago
Dunno, the top level comments to studies like this (like the current thread) are often preachy, defensive posts about keeping meat in their diet despite TFA. People like lashing out to defend their world view.

mrelectric 4y ago

I just really like meat.

neuralRiot 4y ago

aunty_helen 4y ago

It's not a pride thing, entropy increases with all life. Does eating meat make any kind of significant difference for me or my footprint? Probably not significantly. Do I want to live gen-less and eat beans and rice? No. I should also mention, apparently mossy earth plants a tree or two for me each month. Perhaps you'd like to join them in offsetting your lifestyle (whatever that may be).

drekk 4y ago
Eating meat is the second largest contribution to lifestyle emissions generally after having children. It takes a thousand gallons of water to produce a typical burger patty. You can have as many of those in the desert as you'd like. Heck, we even grow the alfalfa to feed those cows in the desert. People act like going vegetarian is some giant sacrifice. It's not that hard. Westerners just view it as poor people stuff. If you want meat to be a luxury so bad then let's cut the subsidies and see what the real cost of it is when you factor in the actual impact.
- aunty_helen 4y ago
  Very American centric farming practices and concerns you have. Not everywhere grows 2 acres of corn to feed to livestock. I grew up on a farm in New Zealand, water is plentiful, cows eat grass and are calved on milk that for one reason or another would be wasted otherwise. Processing of the meat was done in the paddock by a home kill butcher. In the same way people like going on cruises but don’t worry about how much bunker fuel it burns, I like eating meat and will continue to do so. If you want to be vegetarian great, but I’m making a lifestyle choice that I’ll eat meat because I enjoy it and all of the dishes that can’t be made without it.
  - neuralRiot 4y ago
    See my “box” above and all its content, I’ll summarize -“I only eat meat/eggs/milk from my uncle’s farm” - “I only eat what I hunt, kill, fish, trap, find” - “Plants have feelings too!” - “Studies are not conclusive/improperly done/biased/too old” - “I love meat” -“Lab meat is the future” - “ But mice/bees/small animals/ butterflies/ bedbugs in fields” - “Plant based diets are elitist” - “Protein tho” - “B12 tho” - “A friend of the brother of the neighbor of my dentist ended in the hospital after trying to be vegan for 6 hours.” After being vegan for 10+ years I’ve heard everything, you know what all sounds to me? “I don’t care enough to make the slightest effort”.