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This is what nearly happened with IE, except Firefox then later Chrome managed to displace it to some extent. Now it would be likely to happen with Chromium bas

by aftbit 4y ago

This is what nearly happened with IE, except Firefox then later Chrome managed to displace it to some extent. Now it would be likely to happen with Chromium based browsers if not for Mobile Safari being an important target as well.

masklinn 4y ago
> This is what nearly happened with IE, except Firefox then later Chrome managed to displace it to some extent. It took MS sleeping on it for several years and the entire web taking off like a rocket for that to happen. Not to mention “full web” mobile expectations. It took cataclysmic disruptions in the space to even have a chance if breaking IE’s monopoly.
iopq 4y ago
It's already happened A website I use said I need to use their Chrome add-on to automate some info gathering stuff. But I use Firefox?
- Underphil 4y ago
  In all fairness, that's one example. There's probably some outdated stuff that still requires IE.
girvo 4y ago
Chrome displaced it purely from the huge marketing power of Google, being the search engine the world over. By putting a "use chrome" message into Google Search, they got the word out in a way that no other browser vendor could ever hope to do. I'm not hopeful that it can ever be replicated. That said, I will always continue to use browsers other than Chrome, so at least selfishly I'm excited about projects like this!
- chii 4y ago
  Pure marketing isn't the reason chrome took over. It was super speed and security.
  - sam_goody 4y ago
    Nope. Firefox got up to speed really fast, and security should never be used to describe a browser that is inherently spyware ( _do you even have a clue about what the browser is sending home?[1]_ ). Playing dirty [eg. purposely changing Youtube to not work with the standards adhered to to by FF], making promises that they never filled and lots of aggressive marketing is the only reason that they achieved dominance. [1]: https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium/blob/master/domain_substitution.list https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium/blo... That's the list of unique divisions that Chrome sends to, but don't forget that they send which page you went to, how long you stayed on the page, your passwords in plaintext, etc.
    - chii 4y ago
      > your passwords in plaintext are you sure they do that? That's a big claim, and a huge security problem.
      - sam_goody 4y ago
        I saved a password in Chrome on Android. Went home, logged into the same website from my desktop. Chrome offered to log me in. My unprofessional conclusion - Google could not have encrypted my password in a way that would have prevented them from logging in as me on another device. As an aside, I was logged into GMail on the desktop, but I couldn't recall having logged into Chrome. If correct, than once you have logged into a Google property, all is fair game on any other sites you visit.
  - girvo 4y ago
    It’s absolutely the reason it took over. Without it, that speed and security meant nothing.

by aftbit 4y ago

masklinn 4y ago

> This is what nearly happened with IE, except Firefox then later Chrome managed to displace it to some extent. It took MS sleeping on it for several years and the entire web taking off like a rocket for that to happen. Not to mention “full web” mobile expectations. It took cataclysmic disruptions in the space to even have a chance if breaking IE’s monopoly.

iopq 4y ago

It's already happened A website I use said I need to use their Chrome add-on to automate some info gathering stuff. But I use Firefox?

Underphil 4y ago
In all fairness, that's one example. There's probably some outdated stuff that still requires IE.

girvo 4y ago

Chrome displaced it purely from the huge marketing power of Google, being the search engine the world over. By putting a "use chrome" message into Google Search, they got the word out in a way that no other browser vendor could ever hope to do. I'm not hopeful that it can ever be replicated. That said, I will always continue to use browsers other than Chrome, so at least selfishly I'm excited about projects like this!

chii 4y ago
Pure marketing isn't the reason chrome took over. It was super speed and security.
- sam_goody 4y ago
  Nope. Firefox got up to speed really fast, and security should never be used to describe a browser that is inherently spyware ( _do you even have a clue about what the browser is sending home?[1]_ ). Playing dirty [eg. purposely changing Youtube to not work with the standards adhered to to by FF], making promises that they never filled and lots of aggressive marketing is the only reason that they achieved dominance. [1]: https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium/blob/master/domain_substitution.list https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium/blo... That's the list of unique divisions that Chrome sends to, but don't forget that they send which page you went to, how long you stayed on the page, your passwords in plaintext, etc.
  - chii 4y ago
    > your passwords in plaintext are you sure they do that? That's a big claim, and a huge security problem.
    - sam_goody 4y ago
      I saved a password in Chrome on Android. Went home, logged into the same website from my desktop. Chrome offered to log me in. My unprofessional conclusion - Google could not have encrypted my password in a way that would have prevented them from logging in as me on another device. As an aside, I was logged into GMail on the desktop, but I couldn't recall having logged into Chrome. If correct, than once you have logged into a Google property, all is fair game on any other sites you visit.
- girvo 4y ago
  It’s absolutely the reason it took over. Without it, that speed and security meant nothing.