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I don't understand why people aren't doing bank runs. Is it really because, as the article states, people believe leaders will solve the problem? For an individ

by latch 15y ago

I don't understand why people aren't doing bank runs. Is it really because, as the article states, people believe leaders will solve the problem? For an individual, that seems like an unreasonable/unecessary risk to take.

jerf 15y ago
The result of a bank run would be a fistful of Euros. I don't see much point in running a bank, as the way they're going to take the value away from you is to inflate away what you've got, be it Euro or $LOCAL_CURRENCY. They can do that with it in the bank or it in your hands. (Progress!)
- flourpower 15y ago
  But then why not just change your euros into dollars?
  - latch 15y ago
    Yes, exactly what I'm getting at. That's the point of my parent...people should do it now BEFORE mass-inflation so that they can convert it to a more stable currency (USD/GBP/CAD). I agree that once everyone starts doing it there isn't a point, but now...geezz..I don't see what you have to lose.
    - flourpower 15y ago
      I agree with your advice - I just don't think most people follow financial news that closely. However, the euro is down about 8% since June, so it's safe to say there's been a fair bit of selling.
    - Atropos 15y ago
      If you believe that currency market are somewhat efficient, the chances of a catastrophe happening are already priced in. For example, the Eur vs. Swiss Francs historically hovered around the 1,50 mark for a long time; now it's at 1,23. The swiss franc is considered clearly overvalued and there is speculation that their national bank wants to push it back up to 1,30. Anyway if the Euro problems get solved, you would probably lose at least 10-15% of your assets. Of course maybe such an "insurance" is worth it, but it is by no means an easy decision.
  - philwelch 15y ago
    Because USD aren't legal tender in the Eurozone, so you couldn't actually buy anything with them. You could change your euros into pounds and move to Britain, except your job, family, friends, and so forth are still back home (and once everyone gets that idea, it's not going to work for a million reasons). Now if you're talking about people with investments in EUR who could switch that over to USD, well yeah, the exchange rate doesn't seem to have crashed. Hm, can you short a currency somehow?
    - fr0sty 15y ago
      Of course you will need Euros for day to day expenses. The idea would be to move your savings onto USD or GBP before the exchange rates spike and convert them back into $local_currency after things in europe settle down. ...can you short a currency somehow? If you have the right brokerage account you can trade currency futures and options but be careful. Such trading is generally very leveraged and the possibility of losing all of your principle is very real(1) so be sure you understand the risks. (1) this does not apply to buying options.
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    - flourpower 15y ago
      But if you believe that the exchange rate is going to move in favor of the dollar, the sensible thing to do is still to switch almost all of your euros into dollars and convert back gradually as you need to actually use them to buy things.
    - tsotha 15y ago
      It's a lot easier to keep your money in a foreign currency these days. You could, say, put all your euros in a dollar denominated US bank account and then just use an ATM to convert only what you're about to spend back into euros.
    - alex_c 15y ago
      Now if you're talking about people with investments in EUR who could switch that over to USD, well yeah, the exchange rate doesn't seem to have crashed. With all the doom and gloom about the Euro, why hasn't it crashed against other currencies? What effect would a breakup of the Euro zone actually have on the Euro?
- sudonim 15y ago
  I doubt a modern bank run gives you a fistful of anything. It probably means converting the currency to usd and maybe having it leave the country. It's pretty common in other countries to offer us dollar bank accounts. If you don't trust the political leadership, you can transfer your money to a safer banking center too (Switzerland?).
  - mynameishere 15y ago
    This is correct. A modern bankrun is not by ordinary savers, but by institutions moving millions or billions from one instition to another, by the click of a mouse. This is what nearly got out of hand in 2008.
- twoodfin 15y ago
  Why not take your Euros and buy GBP or USD? I don't understand how currency controls work. Is the assumption that if Greece, say, goes off the Euro, then "New Drachmas" will have a fixed "official" exchange rate that disadvantages anyone who moved their assets abroad prior to the shift?
  - tsotha 15y ago
    It will be the opposite. People with money in Greek banks will get new Drachmas at some official exchange rate. Most likely (100% likely, in fact), people who have money in foreign denominations will do better. The whole point of going back to a sovereign currency is to inflate away national debt.
mixmax 15y ago
Most people don't even know there's a problem. I'm from Denmark, which is in the EU and has a currency that's pegged to the Euro, and it isn't even a top story in newspapers here. It's too complicated, and neither journalists nor a general audience understand the issue or its consequences.
nradov 15y ago
A slow-motion run on Greek banks has been underway for more than a year. http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/02/capital-flight-out-of-greece-run-on.html http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/02/capital-f...

by latch 15y ago

jerf 15y ago

The result of a bank run would be a fistful of Euros. I don't see much point in running a bank, as the way they're going to take the value away from you is to inflate away what you've got, be it Euro or $LOCAL_CURRENCY. They can do that with it in the bank or it in your hands. (Progress!)

flourpower 15y ago
But then why not just change your euros into dollars?
- latch 15y ago
  Yes, exactly what I'm getting at. That's the point of my parent...people should do it now BEFORE mass-inflation so that they can convert it to a more stable currency (USD/GBP/CAD). I agree that once everyone starts doing it there isn't a point, but now...geezz..I don't see what you have to lose.
  - flourpower 15y ago
    I agree with your advice - I just don't think most people follow financial news that closely. However, the euro is down about 8% since June, so it's safe to say there's been a fair bit of selling.
  - Atropos 15y ago
    If you believe that currency market are somewhat efficient, the chances of a catastrophe happening are already priced in. For example, the Eur vs. Swiss Francs historically hovered around the 1,50 mark for a long time; now it's at 1,23. The swiss franc is considered clearly overvalued and there is speculation that their national bank wants to push it back up to 1,30. Anyway if the Euro problems get solved, you would probably lose at least 10-15% of your assets. Of course maybe such an "insurance" is worth it, but it is by no means an easy decision.
- philwelch 15y ago
  Because USD aren't legal tender in the Eurozone, so you couldn't actually buy anything with them. You could change your euros into pounds and move to Britain, except your job, family, friends, and so forth are still back home (and once everyone gets that idea, it's not going to work for a million reasons). Now if you're talking about people with investments in EUR who could switch that over to USD, well yeah, the exchange rate doesn't seem to have crashed. Hm, can you short a currency somehow?
  - fr0sty 15y ago
    Of course you will need Euros for day to day expenses. The idea would be to move your savings onto USD or GBP before the exchange rates spike and convert them back into $local_currency after things in europe settle down. ...can you short a currency somehow? If you have the right brokerage account you can trade currency futures and options but be careful. Such trading is generally very leveraged and the possibility of losing all of your principle is very real(1) so be sure you understand the risks. (1) this does not apply to buying options.
  - deleted 15y ago
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  - flourpower 15y ago
    But if you believe that the exchange rate is going to move in favor of the dollar, the sensible thing to do is still to switch almost all of your euros into dollars and convert back gradually as you need to actually use them to buy things.
  - tsotha 15y ago
    It's a lot easier to keep your money in a foreign currency these days. You could, say, put all your euros in a dollar denominated US bank account and then just use an ATM to convert only what you're about to spend back into euros.
  - alex_c 15y ago
    Now if you're talking about people with investments in EUR who could switch that over to USD, well yeah, the exchange rate doesn't seem to have crashed. With all the doom and gloom about the Euro, why hasn't it crashed against other currencies? What effect would a breakup of the Euro zone actually have on the Euro?
sudonim 15y ago
I doubt a modern bank run gives you a fistful of anything. It probably means converting the currency to usd and maybe having it leave the country. It's pretty common in other countries to offer us dollar bank accounts. If you don't trust the political leadership, you can transfer your money to a safer banking center too (Switzerland?).
- mynameishere 15y ago
  This is correct. A modern bankrun is not by ordinary savers, but by institutions moving millions or billions from one instition to another, by the click of a mouse. This is what nearly got out of hand in 2008.
twoodfin 15y ago
Why not take your Euros and buy GBP or USD? I don't understand how currency controls work. Is the assumption that if Greece, say, goes off the Euro, then "New Drachmas" will have a fixed "official" exchange rate that disadvantages anyone who moved their assets abroad prior to the shift?
- tsotha 15y ago
  It will be the opposite. People with money in Greek banks will get new Drachmas at some official exchange rate. Most likely (100% likely, in fact), people who have money in foreign denominations will do better. The whole point of going back to a sovereign currency is to inflate away national debt.

mixmax 15y ago

Most people don't even know there's a problem. I'm from Denmark, which is in the EU and has a currency that's pegged to the Euro, and it isn't even a top story in newspapers here. It's too complicated, and neither journalists nor a general audience understand the issue or its consequences.

nradov 15y ago

A slow-motion run on Greek banks has been underway for more than a year. http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/02/capital-flight-out-of-greece-run-on.html http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/02/capital-f...