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Now I understand what you were referring to. I should attempt to convince you that negative messages ("STOP X") are not as effective for changing behaviour tha
by dijit 4y ago
Now I understand what you were referring to.
I should attempt to convince you that negative messages ("STOP X") are not as effective for changing behaviour than actual helpful advice; for instance in personal training you are educated to always refer to the positive. IE; instead of saying "stop raising your heels" you would say, "do you see your feet move? We should try to keep them flat"- a subtle but important difference.
W.R.T. comments like yours, I would advise you to instead focusing on the "don't improve your appearance, it is superficial" to instead focus on other things that men can do to meaningfully improve themselves.
The majority of Feminists and the majority of Misogynists alike, agree (unfortunately) that some features of men are desirable and those typically correspond to conventional attractiveness and wealth.
> Stop listening to Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, etc. They told you which KPIs will get you women. They won't.
It's not really Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson saying that though, it's society. IIRC Jordan Petersons whole schtick was suggesting that self-improvement is necessary and that you should start small (like cleaning your room); then he goes off the rails talking about equality and equity going too far or something- but the core of the beginning is good. I haven't ever watched Joe Rogan; Andrew Tate is as much as Misandrist as a Misogynist[0]
If you want to convince me otherwise I would advise (again) to inform us of what Men should actually work on to improve themselves in the eyes of Women.
[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHD8Jun3eUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHD8Jun3eUc
- Zigurd 4y ago[flagged]
- dijit 4y agoThe core thesis of your argument (that self improvement is not required) is false for two main reasons. 1) Obviously we should improve ourselves, otherwise we will be immature children for our entire lives. Maturity is growth, education is growth. To improve is human. You can successfully argue a case that the guidance from the Manosphere is harmful; but to deny self improvement is foolish beyond argument. 2) external parties are discerning. They do compare people on attributes, doesn’t matter if you agree that they’re superficial ones such as wealth and appearance, or deeper ones such as confidence (not arrogance), maturity, trustworthiness and wisdom. They are discerning on some axis. This is true for friends, business associates and of course: Romantic Partners. Regardless of sex/gender
- nradov 4y agoI'm not familiar with Jordan Peterson, but I don't understand your point. Most women won't be impressed if your home has clothes on the floor and dirty dishes in the sink.