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No. This would again be a significant advantage for students from wealthy families who could opt out of the service by paying up... Just get rid of the outrage

No. This would again be a significant advantage for students from wealthy families who could opt out of the service by paying up... Just get rid of the outrageous US tuition fees like civilized countries in Europe.

rayiner 4y ago
I’m in favor of that if we also get rid of outrageous university bloat and frills like civilized countries in Europe.
xwdv 4y ago
Advantages are the point of being wealthy.
- quicklime 4y ago
  Not punishing poor kids for having poor parents would be a huge moral hazard.
  - salawat 4y ago
    If i'm not falling victim to Poe's law, I'm going to need further elucidation here, as that sounds an awful lot like punishing the child for the sins of the parent there. You can't seriously believe that is a tenable/desirable state of affairs?
    - foxyv 4y ago
      I believe that you are correct about Poe's, the comment was sarcasm.
chongli 4y ago
Getting rid of the outrageous tuition fees would mean laying off hundreds of administrative staff at every single university. Now you’ve got cheap tuition but hundreds of thousands of unemployed people. What do you do about that? Sounds like a political nightmare.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Maybe the universities should teach them to code or something... If these universities survive and operate without this staff, I see no reason not to fire them. Clearly they are not doing productive work and I don't believe in supporting such work.
  - Jtype 4y ago
    What makes you think that the universities can survive without the current staffing levels? I assure you that with the maze of current funding structures, reporting requirements, travel planning, visa work, unfunded government mandates, etc., they cannot. The only way that they could survive is if the entire structure, and many laws changed. The unfortunate problem with that is then all US universities wouldn't be able to be the best in the world. Top US Universities wouldn't' be able to bring in the best from around the world, research at Universities would dwindle to a fraction of the current amount. Communication and knowledge sharing between peers at other institutions would shrink. The same people who currently complain loudest about the price of university would howl the loudest and diversity and inclusion offices closed at universities. Student amenities would be stripped. Funding for student mental health would drop. The list goes on and on.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  Nah, the total number isn't enough to matter. There are over 1 million truck drivers alone, so they would be able to absorb them without too much trouble.
zikduruqe 4y ago
> This would again be a significant advantage for students from wealthy families who could opt out of the service by paying up... Or when those wealthy families take a chance to build a business that goes wrong, they just file for debt forgiveness. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution authorizes Congress to enact “Uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States.” It provides that Congress shall enact bankruptcy laws to allow Americans to exercise their bankruptcy rights. So filing for bankruptcy relief is your constitutional right, specifically guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. Students should just file for debt forgiveness too.
- staticman2 4y ago
  That part of the constitution says "Congress shall have the power..." and does not bestow a right to bankruptcy. It just says congress may if they choose create a law bestowing such a right because they have the power to pass such a law.

rayiner 4y ago

I’m in favor of that if we also get rid of outrageous university bloat and frills like civilized countries in Europe.

xwdv 4y ago

Advantages are the point of being wealthy.

quicklime 4y ago
Not punishing poor kids for having poor parents would be a huge moral hazard.
- salawat 4y ago
  If i'm not falling victim to Poe's law, I'm going to need further elucidation here, as that sounds an awful lot like punishing the child for the sins of the parent there. You can't seriously believe that is a tenable/desirable state of affairs?
  - foxyv 4y ago
    I believe that you are correct about Poe's, the comment was sarcasm.

chongli 4y ago

Getting rid of the outrageous tuition fees would mean laying off hundreds of administrative staff at every single university. Now you’ve got cheap tuition but hundreds of thousands of unemployed people. What do you do about that? Sounds like a political nightmare.

Ekaros 4y ago
Maybe the universities should teach them to code or something... If these universities survive and operate without this staff, I see no reason not to fire them. Clearly they are not doing productive work and I don't believe in supporting such work.
- Jtype 4y ago
  What makes you think that the universities can survive without the current staffing levels? I assure you that with the maze of current funding structures, reporting requirements, travel planning, visa work, unfunded government mandates, etc., they cannot. The only way that they could survive is if the entire structure, and many laws changed. The unfortunate problem with that is then all US universities wouldn't be able to be the best in the world. Top US Universities wouldn't' be able to bring in the best from around the world, research at Universities would dwindle to a fraction of the current amount. Communication and knowledge sharing between peers at other institutions would shrink. The same people who currently complain loudest about the price of university would howl the loudest and diversity and inclusion offices closed at universities. Student amenities would be stripped. Funding for student mental health would drop. The list goes on and on.
tomjen3 4y ago
Nah, the total number isn't enough to matter. There are over 1 million truck drivers alone, so they would be able to absorb them without too much trouble.

zikduruqe 4y ago

> This would again be a significant advantage for students from wealthy families who could opt out of the service by paying up... Or when those wealthy families take a chance to build a business that goes wrong, they just file for debt forgiveness. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution authorizes Congress to enact “Uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States.” It provides that Congress shall enact bankruptcy laws to allow Americans to exercise their bankruptcy rights. So filing for bankruptcy relief is your constitutional right, specifically guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. Students should just file for debt forgiveness too.

staticman2 4y ago
That part of the constitution says "Congress shall have the power..." and does not bestow a right to bankruptcy. It just says congress may if they choose create a law bestowing such a right because they have the power to pass such a law.