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To me what matters the most isn't the language but the ecosystem: - versatility: create desktop apps, mobile apps, websites, CLI - quality of IDE / tooling -

by cm2187 4y ago

To me what matters the most isn't the language but the ecosystem: - versatility: create desktop apps, mobile apps, websites, CLI - quality of IDE / tooling - lots of libraries to deal with all sort of corner problems - lots of knowledge I can google - if used professionally: lots of talents available For the language itself, I only really care about one thing: statically typed, just because it eliminates all sort of silly bugs and makes refactoring and navigating the code so much easier. But I am not dealing with hard computer science problems. But the most important thing is muscle memory: not having to even think of how to solve something, just do it. We can probably adapt to any major language, but you aren't productive until you develop muscle memory. That's why I am not looking to switch to any shiny new thing unless I have a really compelling reason to do so.

hyperswine 4y ago
why google if the docs are great and the lang server/IDE actually shows good docs + examples on hover
WithinReason 4y ago
- good quality standard library - good developer tooling, e.g. a language server - This is not yet possible, but a good optimiser which can turn an abstract representation of the code into optimal code for a given hardware (CPU or GPU). Currently we are far from this, there is probably a 10x improvement that current compilers can't achieve. See for example a FizzBuzz implementation achieving ~10x throughput improvement after months of optimisation work: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/215216/high-throughput-fizz-buzz https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/215216/high-thr... More complex code is likely much more improvable.
- hyperswine 4y ago
  An actual functional lang server that doesnt randomly die on you and tries its best to infer your intent would be nice. I like that last point too, as copilot I think is going in the right direction with "step 1" of full optimisation. Maybe step 2 would be some AI based optimiser scheme to transform IR into optimal cpu/gpu ISA. Though maybe stability would be a problem
xnorswap 4y ago
My perfect language is also C#!
- cm2187 4y ago
  Ha ha, spot on. Could be java too.

by cm2187 4y ago

hyperswine 4y ago

why google if the docs are great and the lang server/IDE actually shows good docs + examples on hover

WithinReason 4y ago

- good quality standard library - good developer tooling, e.g. a language server - This is not yet possible, but a good optimiser which can turn an abstract representation of the code into optimal code for a given hardware (CPU or GPU). Currently we are far from this, there is probably a 10x improvement that current compilers can't achieve. See for example a FizzBuzz implementation achieving ~10x throughput improvement after months of optimisation work: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/215216/high-throughput-fizz-buzz https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/215216/high-thr... More complex code is likely much more improvable.

hyperswine 4y ago
An actual functional lang server that doesnt randomly die on you and tries its best to infer your intent would be nice. I like that last point too, as copilot I think is going in the right direction with "step 1" of full optimisation. Maybe step 2 would be some AI based optimiser scheme to transform IR into optimal cpu/gpu ISA. Though maybe stability would be a problem

xnorswap 4y ago

My perfect language is also C#!

cm2187 4y ago
Ha ha, spot on. Could be java too.