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The EU was spiteful in this case, but that was expected. To be fair, they gave British registrants at least 1 year of grace period to migrate their domains to a

by thiht 4y ago

The EU was spiteful in this case, but that was expected. To be fair, they gave British registrants at least 1 year of grace period to migrate their domains to a new TLD, it didn’t happen overnight in this case.

noAnswer 4y ago
Lets see what will happen to Scottish .uk domains when they leave.
Symbiote 4y ago
.EU domains were always restricted to entities in the EEA. I don't know how useful that is in practise, but it's not the only CCTLD with this restriction.
unity1001 4y ago
> The EU was spiteful in this case That logic defies description. If you are not a member of a certain country or economic zone, you cannot get and keep that zone's exclusive domains. Thats law. What you are saying is that the Eu should have made an exception for the Brits and allowed them to keep doing what others are not allowed. That sounds like too much exceptionalist entitlement.
- _0w8t 4y ago
  This is similar to Norway rules. By the law only legal entities registered in Norway can have .no domain. If an organization cease to exist or stops to have a legal presence in the country then the domain must be returned within one year.
  - teddyh 4y ago
    Not that that changes anything; everybody who wants to register a .no domain simply hires a local proxy to “own” the domain for them. Most registrars offers this as a service, and as an end customer you don’t have to know anything about it.
- adolph 4y ago
  That’s not law. It might be how the EU manages their own ccTLD, and there may be an EU rule for it, but it isn’t a transnational law. For example: In 2010, nearly 10% of the revenue of the Government of Tuvalu came from royalties from .tv addresses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.tv https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.tv
  - manuelmoreale 4y ago
    They’re not wrong in saying that that’s the law. Maybe as you say it’s not law in traditional sense but the requirements are quite clear. > You may register a .eu, .ею or .ευ domain name if you fulfil the following criteria: > You represent an organisation established in one of the European Union Member States; or Iceland, Liechtenstein or Norway. You are an individual residing in one of the European Union Member States, Iceland, Liechtenstein, or Norway, or a citizen of one of the European Union Member States, Iceland, Liechtenstein, or Norway (as of 2 August 2021).
  - d1sxeyes 4y ago
    It's EU law, which by definition makes it 'transnational' law. There's nothing which requires the EU to impose that law, but it is law nevertheless.
    - adolph 4y ago
      I apologize if my comment was pedantic as we don't disagree. The parent quote is "If you are not a member of a certain country or economic zone, you cannot get and keep that zone's exclusive domains. Thats law." While the context is the EU, the parent made a claim larger than the EU, which is not correct. It would be different if the parent had written "If you are not a member of the EU. . ." but that was not what was written. Likewise, an EU law that governs only EU assets isn't transnational. For example, Poland doesn't have eligibility criteria [0] but French ccTLDs like .pm do [1]. As I read the restriction text I detect a touch of the spite referred to elsewhere as it has exceptions for other non-EU-member European countries: "Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein" 0. https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/cctld/pl/index.html https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/cctld/pl/index.html 1. https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/cctld/pm/index.html https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/cctld/pm/index.html
talideon 4y ago
The EU was not being spiteful in the slightest. .EU domains are intended for entities within the EEA. When the UK left, UK-based entities no long had that entitlement, unless you believe you that the UK as a third country deserves to be treated differently from every other one. A year's grace was pretty generous, and has the domains been transferred to an EEA-based entity (such as a subsidiary based in the EEA or an EEA-based proxy, which is a service some .EU registrars provide), then they could keep them.
- fennecfoxen 4y ago
  A domain name is intended to represent something. It shows up in identifiers and addresses such as the Uniform Resource Locator and email addresses. It's better for basically-everyone-in-the-world if that representation and those addresses have a measure of stability. If it's not actively "spiteful" to impair stability, when the only cost is an ever-so-modest impact to brand purity, then at the very least it's a short-sighted way to cause a deadweight economic loss to humanity. I guess that's just what rule-by-bureaucracy does, though, including EU bureaucracy: every day, they make decisions that affect people, always bringing the greatest possible reverence for the rules, and paying as little regard as possible to the price of the consequences of their decisions, which are fundamentally someone else's problem.
  - brnt 4y ago
    You still don't get what Brexit exactly is, it looks like. It was a one sided drastic withdrawal from any and all EU institutions, and yes, that includes the TLD. Amazing how you would think that your particular field of work would be excepted.
    - hunterb123 4y ago
      > it was a one sided drastic withdrawal a couple of opinionated words there that you didn't support. drastic for sure is false as it took quite awhile to go through, much longer than the merger in fact. For my opinionated sentence I will say... Britain is better off, the EU is an abomination.
blitzar 4y ago
My previous employer was similarly spiteful, when I quit they stopped paying my wages. Totally unreasonable and out of absolutely nowhere, they didnt even warn me, just refused to deposit the paycheques into my account every month. Not even a year grace period or anything.
d1sxeyes 4y ago
There was no spite in it - or at least if there were any spite in it, the UK was party to it when the legislation was originally written back in 2002 - when the UK was a member state, and Brexit was not even a whisper. The UK helped to implement the following regulations on who can register for a .eu TLD at that time: (i) undertaking having its registered office, central administration or principal place of business within the Community, or (ii) organisation established within the Community without prejudice to the application of national law, or (iii) natural person resident within the Community; (Regulation (EC) No 733/2002 of the European Parliament and of the Council, Article 4 (2) (b)) There were some amendments in 2019, but the meaning is broadly the same as the original draft (at least in this context). The key relevant change is the addition an entitlement for EU citizens who are not resident in the EU (e.g.: those who live in the UK).

by thiht 4y ago

noAnswer 4y ago

Lets see what will happen to Scottish .uk domains when they leave.

Symbiote 4y ago

.EU domains were always restricted to entities in the EEA. I don't know how useful that is in practise, but it's not the only CCTLD with this restriction.

unity1001 4y ago

> The EU was spiteful in this case That logic defies description. If you are not a member of a certain country or economic zone, you cannot get and keep that zone's exclusive domains. Thats law. What you are saying is that the Eu should have made an exception for the Brits and allowed them to keep doing what others are not allowed. That sounds like too much exceptionalist entitlement.

_0w8t 4y ago
This is similar to Norway rules. By the law only legal entities registered in Norway can have .no domain. If an organization cease to exist or stops to have a legal presence in the country then the domain must be returned within one year.
- teddyh 4y ago
  Not that that changes anything; everybody who wants to register a .no domain simply hires a local proxy to “own” the domain for them. Most registrars offers this as a service, and as an end customer you don’t have to know anything about it.
adolph 4y ago
That’s not law. It might be how the EU manages their own ccTLD, and there may be an EU rule for it, but it isn’t a transnational law. For example: In 2010, nearly 10% of the revenue of the Government of Tuvalu came from royalties from .tv addresses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.tv https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.tv
- manuelmoreale 4y ago
  They’re not wrong in saying that that’s the law. Maybe as you say it’s not law in traditional sense but the requirements are quite clear. > You may register a .eu, .ею or .ευ domain name if you fulfil the following criteria: > You represent an organisation established in one of the European Union Member States; or Iceland, Liechtenstein or Norway. You are an individual residing in one of the European Union Member States, Iceland, Liechtenstein, or Norway, or a citizen of one of the European Union Member States, Iceland, Liechtenstein, or Norway (as of 2 August 2021).
- d1sxeyes 4y ago
  It's EU law, which by definition makes it 'transnational' law. There's nothing which requires the EU to impose that law, but it is law nevertheless.
  - adolph 4y ago
    I apologize if my comment was pedantic as we don't disagree. The parent quote is "If you are not a member of a certain country or economic zone, you cannot get and keep that zone's exclusive domains. Thats law." While the context is the EU, the parent made a claim larger than the EU, which is not correct. It would be different if the parent had written "If you are not a member of the EU. . ." but that was not what was written. Likewise, an EU law that governs only EU assets isn't transnational. For example, Poland doesn't have eligibility criteria [0] but French ccTLDs like .pm do [1]. As I read the restriction text I detect a touch of the spite referred to elsewhere as it has exceptions for other non-EU-member European countries: "Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein" 0. https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/cctld/pl/index.html https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/cctld/pl/index.html 1. https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/cctld/pm/index.html https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/cctld/pm/index.html

talideon 4y ago

The EU was not being spiteful in the slightest. .EU domains are intended for entities within the EEA. When the UK left, UK-based entities no long had that entitlement, unless you believe you that the UK as a third country deserves to be treated differently from every other one. A year's grace was pretty generous, and has the domains been transferred to an EEA-based entity (such as a subsidiary based in the EEA or an EEA-based proxy, which is a service some .EU registrars provide), then they could keep them.

fennecfoxen 4y ago
A domain name is intended to represent something. It shows up in identifiers and addresses such as the Uniform Resource Locator and email addresses. It's better for basically-everyone-in-the-world if that representation and those addresses have a measure of stability. If it's not actively "spiteful" to impair stability, when the only cost is an ever-so-modest impact to brand purity, then at the very least it's a short-sighted way to cause a deadweight economic loss to humanity. I guess that's just what rule-by-bureaucracy does, though, including EU bureaucracy: every day, they make decisions that affect people, always bringing the greatest possible reverence for the rules, and paying as little regard as possible to the price of the consequences of their decisions, which are fundamentally someone else's problem.
- brnt 4y ago
  You still don't get what Brexit exactly is, it looks like. It was a one sided drastic withdrawal from any and all EU institutions, and yes, that includes the TLD. Amazing how you would think that your particular field of work would be excepted.
  - hunterb123 4y ago
    > it was a one sided drastic withdrawal a couple of opinionated words there that you didn't support. drastic for sure is false as it took quite awhile to go through, much longer than the merger in fact. For my opinionated sentence I will say... Britain is better off, the EU is an abomination.

blitzar 4y ago

My previous employer was similarly spiteful, when I quit they stopped paying my wages. Totally unreasonable and out of absolutely nowhere, they didnt even warn me, just refused to deposit the paycheques into my account every month. Not even a year grace period or anything.

d1sxeyes 4y ago

There was no spite in it - or at least if there were any spite in it, the UK was party to it when the legislation was originally written back in 2002 - when the UK was a member state, and Brexit was not even a whisper. The UK helped to implement the following regulations on who can register for a .eu TLD at that time: (i) undertaking having its registered office, central administration or principal place of business within the Community, or (ii) organisation established within the Community without prejudice to the application of national law, or (iii) natural person resident within the Community; (Regulation (EC) No 733/2002 of the European Parliament and of the Council, Article 4 (2) (b)) There were some amendments in 2019, but the meaning is broadly the same as the original draft (at least in this context). The key relevant change is the addition an entitlement for EU citizens who are not resident in the EU (e.g.: those who live in the UK).