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Have you tried using kubernetes to manage your containers? Wondering if the extra level of complexity is worth it for a home server.

khimaros 4y ago
it isn't
bongobingo1 4y ago
Kubernetes alone recommends at least 1gb of ram just for itself IIRC, so that may push it out of some home servers such as RPIs or smaller nucs depending on the actual service load.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  K3s is half that. Still quite a lot, but not as much!
- prmoustache 4y ago
  Not with k3s. But still, for a single or less than 3 machines and/or in a single location I don't see the point.
adra 4y ago
I've dabbled, but really docker is way easier than k8s uses until you start moving into multi-server workloads
vineyardmike 4y ago
100% not worth it. If you need multi-host for some reason (beyond “I want it” - and you don’t) then try docker swarm. It’s your home environment. You want it to be easy. You want to use the tools you run not maintain them. If you want to learn k8 for professional growth, learn it separately from a home server. Your home server can be more pet than cattle.
- enos_feedler 4y ago
  And yet my iphone is cattle. Treating any machine like a pet seems like a recipe for disaster.
  - zrail 4y ago
    Proxmox + Proxmox Backup Server + external storage (I use my NAS) means I don't really have to worry about disaster, as such, because every VM is backed up nightly. VMs and the hypervisor can all be pets and I can just restore a backup if something happens.
  - Karrot_Kream 4y ago
    If you're doing something for a hobby, treat it like the special snowflake it is to you. If you're doing something just to get things done, treat it like the utility it is. If you're at home playing around with machines in a homelab, feel free to baby your servers. As far as disaster is concerned, it's not that difficult to install software that really needs minimal maintenance. But it comes down to what you want out of the software and hardware that you run.
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    My iPhone is a pet. It’s a pet with a great backup system that turns a new pet into exactly my pet. But it’s still a pet. There’s only one and it changes manually as I need features to change. I download and install things as needed, from gui, with no version control or script to manage it. It’s a pet.
    - enos_feedler 4y ago
      It sounds like for you: hand-operated -> pet, automated/script operated -> cattle. I think the whole point of the analogy is about if things get slaughtered can you furnish a new one without batting an eye. If yes, then cattle, not pet. So I guess the question is: if someone stole your phone right now, would you blink?
      - 4y ago
chromatin 4y ago
Kubernetes is 1000% overkill for a home server, but Hashicorp Nomad is very manageable. It runs all my Docker containers at home.

khimaros 4y ago

it isn't

bongobingo1 4y ago

Kubernetes alone recommends at least 1gb of ram just for itself IIRC, so that may push it out of some home servers such as RPIs or smaller nucs depending on the actual service load.

robertlagrant 4y ago
K3s is half that. Still quite a lot, but not as much!
prmoustache 4y ago
Not with k3s. But still, for a single or less than 3 machines and/or in a single location I don't see the point.

adra 4y ago

I've dabbled, but really docker is way easier than k8s uses until you start moving into multi-server workloads

vineyardmike 4y ago

100% not worth it. If you need multi-host for some reason (beyond “I want it” - and you don’t) then try docker swarm. It’s your home environment. You want it to be easy. You want to use the tools you run not maintain them. If you want to learn k8 for professional growth, learn it separately from a home server. Your home server can be more pet than cattle.

enos_feedler 4y ago
And yet my iphone is cattle. Treating any machine like a pet seems like a recipe for disaster.
- zrail 4y ago
  Proxmox + Proxmox Backup Server + external storage (I use my NAS) means I don't really have to worry about disaster, as such, because every VM is backed up nightly. VMs and the hypervisor can all be pets and I can just restore a backup if something happens.
- Karrot_Kream 4y ago
  If you're doing something for a hobby, treat it like the special snowflake it is to you. If you're doing something just to get things done, treat it like the utility it is. If you're at home playing around with machines in a homelab, feel free to baby your servers. As far as disaster is concerned, it's not that difficult to install software that really needs minimal maintenance. But it comes down to what you want out of the software and hardware that you run.
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  My iPhone is a pet. It’s a pet with a great backup system that turns a new pet into exactly my pet. But it’s still a pet. There’s only one and it changes manually as I need features to change. I download and install things as needed, from gui, with no version control or script to manage it. It’s a pet.
  - enos_feedler 4y ago
    It sounds like for you: hand-operated -> pet, automated/script operated -> cattle. I think the whole point of the analogy is about if things get slaughtered can you furnish a new one without batting an eye. If yes, then cattle, not pet. So I guess the question is: if someone stole your phone right now, would you blink?
    - 4y ago

chromatin 4y ago

Kubernetes is 1000% overkill for a home server, but Hashicorp Nomad is very manageable. It runs all my Docker containers at home.