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>> you, the user using free services for free Absolutely false, it is not free. I have provided them with my data which they will monetize. It's the same as H

>> you, the user using free services for free Absolutely false, it is not free. I have provided them with my data which they will monetize. It's the same as Hacker News not being free. I have provided Hacker News with my personal data. For example, if you look through my post history just in the last day or so, you would know that Rufus Foreman owns a killer cis-gendered cat named Mr. Tiddlesworth, that Rufus Foreman is a Warren Buffett fan boy, and that when thinking of a generic search term to use as an example, the first thing to come to Rufus Foreman's mind is "cows". Now imagine what sort of dark patterns an unscrupulous corporation like say, Hooli, could implement in order to target me with advertising tailored to my preferences!

westurner 4y ago
If you tell the bartender your life story, they don't owe you free drinks (and they might as well sell a screenplay) While it's true that they sell the data they collect, you can choose to not share such data and still receive the free services. "Bromite" is a fork of Chromium, for example. If you spend time in their store and cause loss and order a bunch of free waters, do the Terms of Service even apply to you? What can they even do? What can LinkedIn do about scraping and resale of every public profile page? Give me some free privacy on my free dsl line. (Note that ISPs can sell the entirety of a customer's internet PCAPs, for example, due to Pai's FCC rescinding a Wheeler FCC privacy rule https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/31/15138526/isp-privacy-bill-vote-trump-marsha-blackburn-internet-browsing-history https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/31/15138526/isp-privacy-bill... "Trump signs repeal of U.S. broadband privacy rules" (2017) https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-internet-trump/trump-signs-repeal-of-u-s-broadband-privacy-rules-idUSKBN1752PR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-internet-trump/trump-... )
- NayamAmarshe 4y ago
  Bromite is not a Google service. It's a false precedence that anything open source from a corporation is a free service and makes their anti-privacy stance good. That's like saying a criminal is a good guy because he did 50 hours of charity work after murdering 2 people.
  - westurner 4y ago
    You can use the Chromium source code that Google contributes to, to browse the internet with and without ads and trackers that use obvious domain names: Microsoft Edge, Opera, Vivaldi, Bromite, ungoogled-chromium, Brave, Chrome. You choose whether to shop at Google. Google buying the default search engine position in browsers does not prevent users from changing the - possibly OpenSearch - browser search engine to DuckDuckGo or Ecosia. You can force an address bar entry to a.tld/search=?${query} search w/: Ctrl-L ?${query} ?how to change the default search engine ?how to block ads & trackers in {browser name} ?how to provide free search queries on a free search engine and have positive revenue after years of debt obligations to fairly build market share You can choose to take their free s and search elsewhere, eh? Why would they now get out of paying for Firefox development using a revenue model, too? (Competitors can and do use e.g. google/bazel the open source clone of google/blaze, which is what Chromium builds were built with before gn. Here's Chromium/BUILD.bazel, for example: https://source.chromium.org/chromium/v8/v8.git/+/master:BUILD.bazel https://source.chromium.org/chromium/v8/v8.git/+/master:BUIL... ) Android (and /e/ and LineageOS) do allow you to install browsers other than the Chrome WebView and Chrome. Is it possible to install anything other than Safari (WebKit) on iOS devices? Maybe from another software repository like F-droid? Hopefully current downstream releases with signed manifests and SafetyNet scanning uploaded apps

westurner 4y ago

If you tell the bartender your life story, they don't owe you free drinks (and they might as well sell a screenplay) While it's true that they sell the data they collect, you can choose to not share such data and still receive the free services. "Bromite" is a fork of Chromium, for example. If you spend time in their store and cause loss and order a bunch of free waters, do the Terms of Service even apply to you? What can they even do? What can LinkedIn do about scraping and resale of every public profile page? Give me some free privacy on my free dsl line. (Note that ISPs can sell the entirety of a customer's internet PCAPs, for example, due to Pai's FCC rescinding a Wheeler FCC privacy rule https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/31/15138526/isp-privacy-bill-vote-trump-marsha-blackburn-internet-browsing-history https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/31/15138526/isp-privacy-bill... "Trump signs repeal of U.S. broadband privacy rules" (2017) https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-internet-trump/trump-signs-repeal-of-u-s-broadband-privacy-rules-idUSKBN1752PR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-internet-trump/trump-... )

NayamAmarshe 4y ago
Bromite is not a Google service. It's a false precedence that anything open source from a corporation is a free service and makes their anti-privacy stance good. That's like saying a criminal is a good guy because he did 50 hours of charity work after murdering 2 people.
- westurner 4y ago
  You can use the Chromium source code that Google contributes to, to browse the internet with and without ads and trackers that use obvious domain names: Microsoft Edge, Opera, Vivaldi, Bromite, ungoogled-chromium, Brave, Chrome. You choose whether to shop at Google. Google buying the default search engine position in browsers does not prevent users from changing the - possibly OpenSearch - browser search engine to DuckDuckGo or Ecosia. You can force an address bar entry to a.tld/search=?${query} search w/: Ctrl-L ?${query} ?how to change the default search engine ?how to block ads & trackers in {browser name} ?how to provide free search queries on a free search engine and have positive revenue after years of debt obligations to fairly build market share You can choose to take their free s and search elsewhere, eh? Why would they now get out of paying for Firefox development using a revenue model, too? (Competitors can and do use e.g. google/bazel the open source clone of google/blaze, which is what Chromium builds were built with before gn. Here's Chromium/BUILD.bazel, for example: https://source.chromium.org/chromium/v8/v8.git/+/master:BUILD.bazel https://source.chromium.org/chromium/v8/v8.git/+/master:BUIL... ) Android (and /e/ and LineageOS) do allow you to install browsers other than the Chrome WebView and Chrome. Is it possible to install anything other than Safari (WebKit) on iOS devices? Maybe from another software repository like F-droid? Hopefully current downstream releases with signed manifests and SafetyNet scanning uploaded apps