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Project Fugu status – Web apps should be able to do anything native apps can

29 points by koch 4y ago

thepra 4y ago
I would rather like a coordinated effort with Firefox. I would never ship nor build web apps that work only on one browser.
- ilaksh 4y ago
  Yeah for this to be useful I need it to be cross referenced with Firefox.
  - breakingcups 4y ago
    Same, I'm not committing any resources to these apis until they are more widely supported. Then again, I'm probably not the target audience at this point.
    - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
      Have you looked at the list? The majority of major WebAPIs are supported and working in Firefox.
- chrisandchris 4y ago
  You would not. MS and Google however (partially) do with their products, and that covers quite a wide range of users who will switch browser because something did not work.
elashri 4y ago
Fortunately (or ironically) Apple slow adaption of new APIs and their restrictions on iOS browsers will make this effort incomplete. Or at least would force google not to push these as they want but with some cross references. That's of course if I am not missing a point here.
- tomayac 4y ago
  Project Fugu DevRel here (https://twitter.com/tomayac https://twitter.com/tomayac)! The way to approach this is with progressive enhancement wherever possible. See https://web.dev/svgcode/ https://web.dev/svgcode/ for an example where I try to make this concrete. Well noting that if your app depends on hardware APIs like WebHID, this approach obviously won’t work. What you can always do, though, is let other browser vendors know how and why you want them to support Fugu APIs.
lesserknowndan 4y ago
No, the reality is that native apps should be able to do far less than they currently can! While ignorance is bliss, computer security is woeful.
- matt_attack 4y ago
  Rather they should only do what you let them. It's nonsensical that mobile OSes don't let you fake certain permissions being enabled (for example having a location spoofing option).
dahdum 4y ago
As long as app stores are able to skim their take, expect Apple and Google alike to continue slow rolling browser capabilities.

29 points by koch 4y ago

I would rather like a coordinated effort with Firefox. I would never ship nor build web apps that work only on one browser.

ilaksh 4y ago
Yeah for this to be useful I need it to be cross referenced with Firefox.
- breakingcups 4y ago
  Same, I'm not committing any resources to these apis until they are more widely supported. Then again, I'm probably not the target audience at this point.
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    Have you looked at the list? The majority of major WebAPIs are supported and working in Firefox.
chrisandchris 4y ago
You would not. MS and Google however (partially) do with their products, and that covers quite a wide range of users who will switch browser because something did not work.

elashri 4y ago

Fortunately (or ironically) Apple slow adaption of new APIs and their restrictions on iOS browsers will make this effort incomplete. Or at least would force google not to push these as they want but with some cross references. That's of course if I am not missing a point here.

tomayac 4y ago
Project Fugu DevRel here (https://twitter.com/tomayac https://twitter.com/tomayac)! The way to approach this is with progressive enhancement wherever possible. See https://web.dev/svgcode/ https://web.dev/svgcode/ for an example where I try to make this concrete. Well noting that if your app depends on hardware APIs like WebHID, this approach obviously won’t work. What you can always do, though, is let other browser vendors know how and why you want them to support Fugu APIs.

lesserknowndan 4y ago

No, the reality is that native apps should be able to do far less than they currently can! While ignorance is bliss, computer security is woeful.

matt_attack 4y ago
Rather they should only do what you let them. It's nonsensical that mobile OSes don't let you fake certain permissions being enabled (for example having a location spoofing option).

dahdum 4y ago

As long as app stores are able to skim their take, expect Apple and Google alike to continue slow rolling browser capabilities.