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How do you sell that to voters?
by criddell 4y ago
How do you sell that to voters?
- hedora 4y agoBe honest about how said voters' houses are going to be worthless when Phoenix runs out of water, California burns down, and Miami/NYC/New Orleans are under water. Also, be honest about how we're rapidly barreling toward the end of economic growth because the weather keeps destroying industrial and agricultural production.
- baggy_trough 4y agoThe voters will cast a judgement about whether that is hysterical nonsense or not.
- nathanaldensr 4y agoSorry, but most people don't believe that or you. Try reading sources outside your bubble.
- it_citizen 4y agoReputable sources explaining that climate change won't destroy trillions of dollar of assets and GDP? Seems like I am in that bubble too. Could you lay them down please?
- aydyn 4y agoReputable sources say that "California will burn down" and "NYC will be under water"? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Unless OP is just using hyperbole to make a point, in which case maybe they shouldn't.
- hedora 4y agoSearch for New York City flood walls. You must have heard about the fires in California in the last few years, right? Look up what's happened to air quality on the west coast from the smoke.
- kelnos 4y agoTrue or false, reputable sources or not, there are still plenty of people in the US -- enough to affect the outcomes of elections, at least -- who just do not and will not believe it.
- WalterBright 4y agoThe only way Phoenix will run out of water is if the government does not allow the price of water to be the free market price.
- wizofaus 4y agoWhat exactly is the "free market price" for water? Are you suggesting reticulated water supply for a city should be achieved via competing free enterprises? Is there anywhere in the world where that's worked well?
- WalterBright 4y agoThe free market price is the price set by Supply & Demand.
- wizofaus 4y agoThat's a non-answer unless customers can meaningfully choose where/how to obtain their regular water supply and how much to pay for it. I'm genuinely curious if that's true in any modern cities. Edit: Santiago in Chile seems to be close to such a case. Interestingly, 70% of the population want to see a return to public ownership of water rights. And it's pretty hard to find evidence having private ownership of water rights is helping ensure long term supply for all.
- WalterBright 4y agoHas public ownership shown it's better?
- wizofaus 4y agoThere's far too few data points to make a meaningful comparison - but water supply has been a public good since Assyrian times. I was only objecting to your claim that if the price of water was somehow established via the free market it would magically ensure it never ran out.
- it_citizen 4y agoJust like Canada did. By redistributing the tax revenue. Look up Carbon fee with dividends.
- TheCoelacanth 4y agoGive all of the proceeds from the tax back to the people. Effectively, instead of all carbon-emitters paying the government, make it so that high-carbon-emitting people have to pay the low-carbon-emitting people.
- it_citizen 4y agoAnd it reduces inequalities given that the 20% richest pollute way more than the 80% poorest.
- kelnos 4y agoDoes it, though? For example, I would expect lower-income folks to be more likely to have older, less-fuel-efficient cars.
- bumby 4y agoIt does according to some studies. "The trend is clear: Emissions generally rise with wealth...The richest 1%—... earning $109,000 a year—are by far the fastest-growing source of emissions."[1] And at least according to that article, it's not due to international disparities in wealth. "people’s emissions within countries now overwhelms the country-to-country disparities." [1]https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-wealth-carbon-emissions-inequality-powers-world-climate/?leadSource=uverify%20wall https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-wealth-carbon-emissi...
- lkbm 4y agoThey also fly less, have smaller cars/apartments, buy cars less frequently, and buy less stuff in general. I think air flight is typically my largest source of CO2 emissions, and certainly will be this year.
- Schroedingersat 4y agoSo then they can car pool or catch the train for two months and pay for a better car with the extra freedom afforded by the emissions dividend which then costs them less in maintenance too.
- WalterBright 4y agoUse the monies to correspondingly reduce the sales tax.
- landemva 4y agoEliminate personal income tax.
- WalterBright 4y agoThe sales tax taxes everyone, so everyone would get a benefit from the carbon tax.
- landemva 4y agoDoes compliance with personal income tax not apply to certain people? Even poor W-2 people have to sign and mail a yearly form to get over-withheld payroll deductions refunded.
- WalterBright 4y agoSomething like 40% of Americans pay no income tax.
- landemva 4y agoWhat % don't file federal income tax form each year?
- criddell 4y agoAnd in the five states with no sales tax?
- imtringued 4y agoI agree, but only if property tax is replaced by a land value tax.
- akira2501 4y agoIn the USA. Or, China?