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Yeah, the Red Cross can screw right off. And libraries. Things should not exist in this world if they can't pay their own way... Sorry, my words above feel gro

by patcon 4y ago

Yeah, the Red Cross can screw right off. And libraries. Things should not exist in this world if they can't pay their own way... Sorry, my words above feel gross. I don't normally write sarcastic comments, and I don't like to, but I was a little put off by the "good riddance" comment. I just mean... aren't some entities cost centres that pay dividends later, sometimes non-monetarily. Kinda like children. Not everything needs to compete is the market and be judged a failure if it doesn't succeed through the single metric markets care about, right? Anyhow, respect (despite my sarcastic start :) )

bitwize 4y ago
If the Red Cross were run by a lawyer, who gutted the budget for doctors and nurses and focused the organization on PR initiatives, yeah, fuck the Red Cross. That's where Mozilla is.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
  Here's the regular reminder for people to carefully pay attention to the distinction between the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation. The Corporation makes the browser (and presumably gets the Google money), the Foundation collects the donations and does PR/social justice/bettering-the-world initiatives.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    The Foundation also gets paid by the Corporation for the right to use the Firefox brand. You can't donate to the Corporation to fund Firefox development, and even if you could, any 'excess' profits the Corporation made would get siphoned out to the Foundation anyway.
  - ksherlock 4y ago
    Cool story but Mozilla Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation. Mitchell Baker is Chair of both. For-profit Mozilla Corporation exists to wash revenue that can't go directly to the non-profit Foundation. c.f. Hollywood accounting.
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      The distinction matters, it's not just a 'cool story'. Money donated to the Mozilla Foundation legally cannot go to the Mozilla Corporation, and therefore cannot fund Firefox development.
      - mattnewton 4y ago
        Is that really true? I thought the foundation bought things from the corporation, like the right to use the Mozilla brand, and did so using donation dollars.
        MichaelCollins 4y ago
        It's the other way around; Mozilla Foundation owns the trademark and Mozilla Corporation pays the Foundation to use it. From their 2020 financial statement (https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2020/mozilla-fdn-2020-short-form-0926.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2020/mozilla-fdn-202...): > The Corporation and MZLA pay license fees per trademark license agreements with the Foundation. In January 2020, the trademark license agreement was amended between the Corporation and the Foundation, whereby, the Corporation will pay the Foundation a royalty payment based on the Corporation’s annual revenue. The amount of royalties owed are calculated using a tiered rate structure, but at no time will the royalty payment go below the lesser of $11.0 million or six (6)% of search revenue. The Corporation incurred $16.3 million and $15.9 million in license fees to the Foundation in 2020 and 2019, respectively. > The trademark license agreement between MZLA and the Foundation stipulates that MZLA will pay the Foundation a royalty payment based upon the revenue generated from certain products. MZLA paid $63,787 and $0 in license fees to the Foundation in 2020 and 2019, respectively.

by patcon 4y ago

bitwize 4y ago

If the Red Cross were run by a lawyer, who gutted the budget for doctors and nurses and focused the organization on PR initiatives, yeah, fuck the Red Cross. That's where Mozilla is.

tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
Here's the regular reminder for people to carefully pay attention to the distinction between the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation. The Corporation makes the browser (and presumably gets the Google money), the Foundation collects the donations and does PR/social justice/bettering-the-world initiatives.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  The Foundation also gets paid by the Corporation for the right to use the Firefox brand. You can't donate to the Corporation to fund Firefox development, and even if you could, any 'excess' profits the Corporation made would get siphoned out to the Foundation anyway.
- ksherlock 4y ago
  Cool story but Mozilla Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation. Mitchell Baker is Chair of both. For-profit Mozilla Corporation exists to wash revenue that can't go directly to the non-profit Foundation. c.f. Hollywood accounting.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    The distinction matters, it's not just a 'cool story'. Money donated to the Mozilla Foundation legally cannot go to the Mozilla Corporation, and therefore cannot fund Firefox development.
    - mattnewton 4y ago
      Is that really true? I thought the foundation bought things from the corporation, like the right to use the Mozilla brand, and did so using donation dollars.
      - MichaelCollins 4y ago
        It's the other way around; Mozilla Foundation owns the trademark and Mozilla Corporation pays the Foundation to use it. From their 2020 financial statement (https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2020/mozilla-fdn-2020-short-form-0926.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2020/mozilla-fdn-202...): > The Corporation and MZLA pay license fees per trademark license agreements with the Foundation. In January 2020, the trademark license agreement was amended between the Corporation and the Foundation, whereby, the Corporation will pay the Foundation a royalty payment based on the Corporation’s annual revenue. The amount of royalties owed are calculated using a tiered rate structure, but at no time will the royalty payment go below the lesser of $11.0 million or six (6)% of search revenue. The Corporation incurred $16.3 million and $15.9 million in license fees to the Foundation in 2020 and 2019, respectively. > The trademark license agreement between MZLA and the Foundation stipulates that MZLA will pay the Foundation a royalty payment based upon the revenue generated from certain products. MZLA paid $63,787 and $0 in license fees to the Foundation in 2020 and 2019, respectively.