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Does anyone know if astronaut living quarters are designed to have equipment, water etc. placed in a way to maximize shielding? I.e a water tank that is shaped

Does anyone know if astronaut living quarters are designed to have equipment, water etc. placed in a way to maximize shielding? I.e a water tank that is shaped like a shell rather than a tank.

elmomle 4y ago
While I don't know the answer, I'd think maintainability is the big constraint there. In the extreme case, imagine the difficulty of pinpointing and fixing any problem when all your systems are nested shells with a massive surface area. You'd need to take half the station apart any time something went wrong.
amelius 4y ago
Question: in space, is the direction where radiation comes from distributed evenly, is all radiation coming from one direction, or something else?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > in space, is the direction where radiation comes from distributed evenly, is all radiation coming from one direction, or something else? Mostly directionally from the Sun. Reflected radiation comes from the reflection surface. Cosmic background from dark sky (which isn’t all directions if you’re near a blocking body). That said, the point of these studies is to measure how much damage which kinds of radiation cause. So short answer, we’re not sure. (But probably the Sun.)
  - amelius 4y ago
    Ok. Now I'm wondering, if you go from the space ship, say 1000 km into the direction of the Sun, and then somehow apply a very small force to the radiation, would it be possible to make the radiation go past the space ship?
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > then somehow apply a very small force to the radiation, would it be possible to make the radiation go past the space ship For charged particles, yes. This is how the earth’s magnetic field [1] protects us. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field#Magnetosphere https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field#Mag...
- dr_orpheus 4y ago
  A combination of directed and distributed evenly. There are 3 (sort of 4) sources of radiation. 1. Trapped protons and neutrons in the Van Allen radiation belts. The ISS is well below the first Van Allen belt but it is really a continuous spectrum with peaks and valleys. For example there is the South Atlantic Anomaly where the inner radiation belt dips lower and flying through this region exposes you to more radiation. This is the fairly distributed radiation source 2. The sun. Solar storms, coronal mass ejections, all of these increase radiation. Although these may not be facing the sun as much as you might think. The radiation bends around the magnetic field of the earth so this often affects things closer to the poles of the Earth (and causes the Auroras) and spacecraft in high inclination orbits. 3. Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCRs). These are from far off events like supernovae or black holes but are really high energy. So direction is generally "from the galactic disk" but that is a pretty wide direction 4. Bremsstrahlung. This is basically radiation caused when one charged particle deflecting/slowing down another particle. The interaction causes some radiation (usually in the form of X-rays, or gamma rays if you get something coming in real hot) but basically comes out as the vector component of how the particle was deflected so it can be from a number of directions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung#In_astrophysics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung#In_astrophysics
natch 4y ago
That’s the plan for trips to Mars. Water storage would be in a void between outer walls, creating a somewhat / partially protective barrier.

Does anyone know if astronaut living quarters are designed to have equipment, water etc. placed in a way to maximize shielding? I.e a water tank that is shaped like a shell rather than a tank.

elmomle 4y ago

While I don't know the answer, I'd think maintainability is the big constraint there. In the extreme case, imagine the difficulty of pinpointing and fixing any problem when all your systems are nested shells with a massive surface area. You'd need to take half the station apart any time something went wrong.

amelius 4y ago

Question: in space, is the direction where radiation comes from distributed evenly, is all radiation coming from one direction, or something else?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> in space, is the direction where radiation comes from distributed evenly, is all radiation coming from one direction, or something else? Mostly directionally from the Sun. Reflected radiation comes from the reflection surface. Cosmic background from dark sky (which isn’t all directions if you’re near a blocking body). That said, the point of these studies is to measure how much damage which kinds of radiation cause. So short answer, we’re not sure. (But probably the Sun.)
- amelius 4y ago
  Ok. Now I'm wondering, if you go from the space ship, say 1000 km into the direction of the Sun, and then somehow apply a very small force to the radiation, would it be possible to make the radiation go past the space ship?
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > then somehow apply a very small force to the radiation, would it be possible to make the radiation go past the space ship For charged particles, yes. This is how the earth’s magnetic field [1] protects us. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field#Magnetosphere https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field#Mag...
dr_orpheus 4y ago
A combination of directed and distributed evenly. There are 3 (sort of 4) sources of radiation. 1. Trapped protons and neutrons in the Van Allen radiation belts. The ISS is well below the first Van Allen belt but it is really a continuous spectrum with peaks and valleys. For example there is the South Atlantic Anomaly where the inner radiation belt dips lower and flying through this region exposes you to more radiation. This is the fairly distributed radiation source 2. The sun. Solar storms, coronal mass ejections, all of these increase radiation. Although these may not be facing the sun as much as you might think. The radiation bends around the magnetic field of the earth so this often affects things closer to the poles of the Earth (and causes the Auroras) and spacecraft in high inclination orbits. 3. Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCRs). These are from far off events like supernovae or black holes but are really high energy. So direction is generally "from the galactic disk" but that is a pretty wide direction 4. Bremsstrahlung. This is basically radiation caused when one charged particle deflecting/slowing down another particle. The interaction causes some radiation (usually in the form of X-rays, or gamma rays if you get something coming in real hot) but basically comes out as the vector component of how the particle was deflected so it can be from a number of directions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung#In_astrophysics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung#In_astrophysics

natch 4y ago

That’s the plan for trips to Mars. Water storage would be in a void between outer walls, creating a somewhat / partially protective barrier.