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Gotta love mocking people who were just fired.

spamizbad 4y ago
Pretty much any time a major tech company announces layoffs the peanut gallery shows up talking about how everyone getting cut is lazy/dead weight. In reality it's far more likely they had the misfortune of being assigned to teams that weren't core to the business' operation or driving revenue or some Exec/VP lost a political battle and their department got the axe.
- hinkley 4y ago
  We are very hypocritical that way. You can get upvotes for being glad you were laid off, you can get upvotes for saying the people who got laid off were bad people anyway.
- drewbeck 4y ago
  It’s a classic post hoc rationalization that happens when folks are fully committed to loving business and bosses over actual people’s well-being. It’s gross.
  - wpietri 4y ago
    For sure. To be fair, organizations select for people who love the business and its leaders over people who are willing to point out when the emperor has no clothes. Sort of the same way that in subcultures where abuse is common, the people who remain are selected for those who will support abusers and blame the abused. So I get how it happens, and why people like to victim-blame as a way of making themselves feel better about their choices. But it's still thoroughly gross.
danrocks 4y ago
So when is the appropriate time to mock them? When they are employed making high six figures to invent harms and then ways to reduce them?
- drewrv 4y ago
  Why are you insisting they're inventing harms? Do you have evidence to support this? Are you just opposed to the idea of ethics?
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    I have a creepy feeling that this entire thread has been infested by Facebook insiders who are working on something that is awful, and lobbied and heckled to get the people fired who were telling them it was awful. No one else would have this sort of venom.
- Morgawr 4y ago
  How about we just don't mock people?
  - danrocks 4y ago
    Mockery is a very powerful tool to speak truth to power.
SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
I'm not a fan in general, but in this context understanding the team's mindset seems relevant to understanding what the practical effects of this cut will be. Should we expect Facebook to innovate less responsibly in general, or was this team working towards alignment with specific cultural attitudes? For example, the article describes how the team stopped Facebook Dating from adding a race filter and saw that as one of their proud accomplishments - this seems like more of a values judgment than a question of responsibility, since it's not a question that's anywhere near settled in broader society.
throwayyy479087 4y ago
It's kind of nice to watch people who call you names for a large amount of money get fired, yes.

Pretty much any time a major tech company announces layoffs the peanut gallery shows up talking about how everyone getting cut is lazy/dead weight. In reality it's far more likely they had the misfortune of being assigned to teams that weren't core to the business' operation or driving revenue or some Exec/VP lost a political battle and their department got the axe.

hinkley 4y ago
We are very hypocritical that way. You can get upvotes for being glad you were laid off, you can get upvotes for saying the people who got laid off were bad people anyway.
drewbeck 4y ago
It’s a classic post hoc rationalization that happens when folks are fully committed to loving business and bosses over actual people’s well-being. It’s gross.
- wpietri 4y ago
  For sure. To be fair, organizations select for people who love the business and its leaders over people who are willing to point out when the emperor has no clothes. Sort of the same way that in subcultures where abuse is common, the people who remain are selected for those who will support abusers and blame the abused. So I get how it happens, and why people like to victim-blame as a way of making themselves feel better about their choices. But it's still thoroughly gross.

danrocks 4y ago

So when is the appropriate time to mock them? When they are employed making high six figures to invent harms and then ways to reduce them?

drewrv 4y ago
Why are you insisting they're inventing harms? Do you have evidence to support this? Are you just opposed to the idea of ethics?
- pessimizer 4y ago
  I have a creepy feeling that this entire thread has been infested by Facebook insiders who are working on something that is awful, and lobbied and heckled to get the people fired who were telling them it was awful. No one else would have this sort of venom.
Morgawr 4y ago
How about we just don't mock people?
- danrocks 4y ago
  Mockery is a very powerful tool to speak truth to power.

SpicyLemonZest 4y ago

I'm not a fan in general, but in this context understanding the team's mindset seems relevant to understanding what the practical effects of this cut will be. Should we expect Facebook to innovate less responsibly in general, or was this team working towards alignment with specific cultural attitudes? For example, the article describes how the team stopped Facebook Dating from adding a race filter and saw that as one of their proud accomplishments - this seems like more of a values judgment than a question of responsibility, since it's not a question that's anywhere near settled in broader society.

throwayyy479087 4y ago

It's kind of nice to watch people who call you names for a large amount of money get fired, yes.