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Related to the death of other tomato ketchups; tomato was not the original dominant ketchup in the US. Mushroom ketchups predate tomato ketchup by a century.
by bobthepanda 4y ago
Related to the death of other tomato ketchups; tomato was not the original dominant ketchup in the US. Mushroom ketchups predate tomato ketchup by a century.
- desro 4y agoSounds fascinating! Can you say more?
- gurchik 4y agoHere's a recipe from the 18th century: https://youtube.com/watch?v=29u_FejNuks https://youtube.com/watch?v=29u_FejNuks
- scommab 4y agoIf you want to learn more here is a great video with both the history and recipe for mushroom ketchup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29u_FejNuks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29u_FejNuks
- bobthepanda 4y agoAs with most food history a lot of this is debated. One version is that the British encountered a fermented fish sauce somewhere in Asia and transliterated the name as ketchup. They then liked it, and tried to reverse engineer it with what was available at home and what they remembered of the taste. Ketchup shows up in the Oxford English Dictionary in 1682. The English bring their recipes to the United States, and their descendants make mushroom ketchups, but also walnut ketchups, oyster ketchups, and all sorts of things. As late as 1913 Webster defines ketchup listing mushroom first, then tomato, then walnut. Tomato ketchup becomes dominant in the early 20th century through the events described in this article, which not only destroyed most of Heinz’s tomato competition but all the other ketchups too. There are also other, more modern ketchups. A personal favorite is Filipino banana ketchup, which was developed when that country was cut off from tomatoes during WWII.
- thematrixturtle 4y agoIn Malaysia and particularly Indonesia, a great many sauces are to this day called kecap, pronounced "ketchup". The debate is mostly about whether the Indonesian kecap inspired the Chinese ke-tsiap that eventually became Western ketchup, or the other way around.
- zarzavat 4y agoIronically the only thing they don’t call kecap/ketchup is the tomato kind, which is simply “tomato sauce”.
- system2 4y agoWhat happened to the mushroom ketchup? I've never seen one before.
- bobthepanda 4y agoThe above push in the article also made most other commercial ketchups go extinct, and few people bottle homemade sauces today for their own use. But also, the taste. Heinz ketchup is a universe away from, say, a Vietnamese fish sauce. (Worcestershire is another sauce in the same vein.) Americans are much more liberal with sweet, thick ketchup than with anything fermented and sour.
- theodric 4y agoMeanwhile the Irish are very happy with the disgusting Chef "ketchup" that tastes more of vinegar than anything else.
- barry-cotter 4y agoMmm, want to go home. I also now want brown sauce with cold bacon on brown bread. The condiments of youth.
- another2another 4y agoI also wanted that too (and a good mug of tea!), but when I travelled back home I found that the HP sauce was somehow less tasty and had less zing. Dunno if it's me or if they changed it.
- disgruntledphd2 4y agoNo accounting for taste, I much prefer Chef to Heinz at least, though I'm tempted to made some home made recipes now.
- treis 4y agoFish and Worcestershire sauce are too salty to use in any large quantities.
- tobinfricke 4y agoHere in the Philippines, it's made from bananas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_ketchup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_ketchup