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How can they call 36 hours of battery life "long"? The $799 version Garmin Fenix 7 solar (which they seem to be targeting) has an 18-22 days of battery life.

dwighttk 4y ago
18 hours is all day… 36 is long
- drewg123 4y ago
  The last time I had a smartwatch with "long" battery life like that was 2018 with a Polar M600. I got tired of charging it all the time and upgraded to a Garmin with a week of battery life.
- saberience 4y ago
  It really annoys me to have to charge my Apple Watch every day, especially because I want/need it for both sleep tracking and exercise tracking. If I use it for sleeping it invariably runs out of bettery during the night, then in the morning when I want to work out I have to charge it before the gym, it's just frustrating. I would LOVE three days of charge.
  - tokamak-teapot 4y ago
    My tactic is to drop in on the charger before I start getting ready for bed, then put it back on when I’m ready to go to sleep. Because it charges quickly, that’s enough to give me power through the night and the next day. I’d still like a month of battery life though!
    - dwighttk 4y ago
      I just don’t track sleep… I sleep fine but the couple times I’ve tried sleep tracking it has just made my sleep restless because every time my sleep got shallow I woke up thinking about “I wonder how my sleep tracking is going… man I’m gonna get the best sleep score!”
  - mikestew 4y ago
    This is one of the main reasons I keep a Garmin for running (that, and real buttons on the Garmin, which Apple Watch Ultra might fix). I wear the Apple Watch at night, and if I didn't remember to throw it on the charger for a bit after waking up, well, no run for you because there's not enough battery. I mean, between those two activities (sleep tracking and running), I was constantly managing the battery charging because the damned thing won't last through a day. That, and I was really doubtful that the Apple product would 100%-for-sure-no-excuses make it through a marathon, and I'm fast enough to qualify for Boston. No way it would have made it through the five hour trail marathon I ran a few weeks ago. So I really, really want the Apple Watch Ultra just so I can pare down to one watch. But the Garmin 945 isn't even a year old, so we'll see what Apple has to offer next year.
  - tzs 4y ago
    Some settings might help. I have a Series 4. I stick it on the charger in the evening when I've settled down on the couch to do the NYT crossword puzzle, watch TV, and read. I inevitably fall asleep sometime during that. Sometime in the next two hours I'll wake up to go pee, see that the watch is charged, and put it on, go pee, maybe go get a drink of water, and head to bed. When I'm in bed I have the watch in theater mode and with notifications silenced. When I'm awake, but not exercising, I generally have it in theater mode with notifications not silenced. I'll toggle it out of theater mode if I'm doing something where I'll want to look at the watch more than sporadically. When I'm exercising I turn off theater mode. That's typically about 40 minutes every morning. Most evenings when I stick it on the charger it is above 50%. A fair number of days it is above 66%.
- fomine3 4y ago
  "18 hours is all day" has been funny argument from Apple, despite it supports sleep tracking.
entropie 4y ago
I guess the display and colors are way better on the apple watch. Retina display with 2k nits. I guess it looks awesome. I prefer my garmin too. I charge it like two times a month and my gps fixes very fast and is very accurate
- snemvalts 4y ago
  Garmin Epix 2 has an OLED and 6 days of battery, 4x longer, bit smaller case size as well (47 vs 49mm).
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  I prefer my Axiom. The day they need a charge.. means I was in a total darkness for a couple of months. /s but only so slightly
  - entropie 4y ago
    Never heard of that. https://www.axiomwatches.fr/en/ https://www.axiomwatches.fr/en/ This? Very informative website. Also I thought we talk about smart watches with GPS. Like 50 years ago we already had high precision mechanical watches that you dont need to charge ever...
    - justsomehnguy 4y ago
      > Never heard of that Well, I never heard of that too. I wear Citizen. [0] > Also I thought we talk about smart watches with GPS I had a lengthy response here, but it was throttled. To sum up: since the smartwatches became a thing I attempted multiple times to justify why I should buy one, but the need to constantly monitor it's charge level, along with my smartphone and whatever else (bt-headset, tablet, another smartphone - depending on the period) always killed the idea. I still use a wired earphones with the same reasoning - I don't want to bother with charging them, I just plug them in and they work. And the main point is still what I don't [yet?] have a killer feature in any smartwatches what would offset the charging hassle. Especially if it needed to be charged everyday (I don't think anyone lives on a 36h cycle and forgetting to charge them in the evening means they would die around noon). https://www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AU1065-58E.html?cgid=mens https://www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AU1065-58E.html?c...
slg 4y ago
What is the value of having 18 days of battery on a device like this? To me there are diminishing returns pretty quickly when it comes to battery life. I agree, there is a lot of value if you are able to hit 72-96 hours and you can go away for a weekend without worrying about charging, but 18 days seems like a waste. Are people really regularly away from their chargers for that long? At that point, I would much rather have a lighter device or one with more features.
- nabaraz 4y ago
  I wear my Fenix 24/7 and I want to not think about charging it more than 2 times a month.
- muppetman 4y ago
  The value is you can leave it on your wrist without having to take it off all the time to charge it. Like a normal watch. It's one less thing to have to have go flat on you because you forgot to charge it the night before. One less thing to be a slave to charging.
  - slg 4y ago
    > It's one less thing to have to have go flat on you because you forgot to charge it the night before. But you don't need 18 days for that. Like I said, I understand wanting a few days. Why do you need a few weeks? It seems like at that point it becomes even more likely that you would forget to charge because it never becomes a routine.
    - jwagenet 4y ago
      the importance for me isn't actually the idle battery life itself (even for phones or laptops that isnt the case). The high battery life allows me to use GPS for 8-12 hours on my Coros, which is usually >20 days of idle use with infrequent HR, elevation, etc.
- h4waii 4y ago
  I recently returned from week long road trip, and while my wife would plug in and charge her Apple Watch every single night, I kept wearing my Pebble without a thought at all -- didn't even pack a charger. Granted, it does have fewer features, but how good are all those whiz-bangs if the battery is dead?
chrisseaton 4y ago
'Long' is obviously relative. The Garmin is an entirely different product to an Apple Watch. Recharging every 36 hours seems reasonable to me, even in very austere conditions.
alphakilo 4y ago
I definitely agree with you. Even my Garmin Phoenix 5x plus will last multiple days with GPS usage for Backcountry camping. Another factor I worry about is the durability of the screen. Although you should always travel with backup Maps nobody wants to lose their primary navigation tool because a touch screen is nicer than Sapphire glass displays. That said the Apple watch is a nicer experience than the Phoenix which I don't tend to take out of the house too often outside of activities now. Indeed the Apple watch is claiming to be usable for recreational scuba for which the Phoenix is not and you would need to use an alternative Garmin watch Perhaps the next iteration of the ultra watch will have features to extend battery life beyond the 60 hours in low battery mode it claims and hopefully towards 100 hours (14 hours * 7 days) of usage on low battery
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  > Even my Garmin Phoenix 5x plus will last multiple days with GPS usage for Backcountry camping. Sporadic GPS usage, I'm guessing, since Garmin themselves only claim 13 hours of GPU usage (can't tell if it has UltraTrac though - the 5x non-plus can do 50 hours in UltraTrac mode.)
  - mackmgg 4y ago
    UltraTrac on my Fenix 5 is pretty useless though, you may as well not be recording at all at that point. I'm not sure if it's gotten better on the more recent watches, but the reported mileage would be off by 30%+ and the resulting map wouldn't even come close to resembling my actual path. That said, even in normal GPS only mode (no Gallileo/GLONASS), the 5 when it was new would get 30 hours of recording. Enough for most ultras, 3 days of backpacking if you record 8 hours/day, and also enough for a week trip with an hour of running every day.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      I had an older Fenix and the distance accuracy was pretty bad. But no one seems to have an issue with the current ones.
matthewmacleod 4y ago
Well, because they are different products with different features and a different set of trade-offs. It’s totally valid to think that a different product more clearly suits your needs - you don’t have to fake incredulity about it.
lukeinator42 4y ago
I totally agree with you as well. I currently have a Garmin Fenix 6 pro and it lasts around 14 days. As someone who is into trail running and backpacking, a 36 hour battery life is untenable, and charging it every night seems like a pain. The irony is that AirPods have a really great battery life (especially the carrying case) despite the small form factor, and are my go-to for long runs.
- solardev 4y ago
  Dumb question, if I may, having never used a GPS smartwatch: How easy to use are the Garmin watches on the trails? Can I download a certain route (like from Alltrails or Trailforks or Gaia) onto it and then have it position + route me in the woods, with just GPS and no cell signal? I don't really want a smartwatch (ugh, slack on my wrist? no thanks), but a backpacking safety companion would be awesome!
  - browningstreet 4y ago
    Yes.
  - mshroyer 4y ago
    You can certainly download a GPX route from services like Alltrails to the Garmin Fenix 7 for purely offline routing—that's one of the watch's strongest features. Additionally, you can do simple ad-hoc routing on the watch itself, while you're out on the trail, also totally offline. For more complex ad-hoc routing, it can be easier to design a route on the Garmin Explore app on your phone and then sync it to your watch via Bluetooth. This works (also totally offline), but the problem is that Garmin Explore's UI and trail labeling kind of sucks, at least on iOS. My preferred approach, if I'm out on a hike and want to set a new route to someplace, is to draw routes on Gaia GPS (which also has offline maps), then sync them to my Fenix 7 over Bluetooth for navigation. I wrote a Pythonista script to make this work well on iOS: https://github.com/mshroyer/pythonista-scripts/tree/master/GpxRouteToTrack https://github.com/mshroyer/pythonista-scripts/tree/master/G...
    - solardev 4y ago
oezi 4y ago
They are targeting enough battery to run a full Ironman or be offline for a weekend (60 hours). The explorer focus was just wacky.
- ASalazarMX 4y ago
  The picture showing an explorer dominating a snowy mountain is hilarious, I hope he brought several battery packs to charge the watch.
  - thirdsun 4y ago
    > The picture showing an explorer dominating a snowy mountain is hilarious Without any gloves too.
zimpenfish 4y ago
> 18-22 days of battery life. Only in "smartwatch" mode - ie. pretty much everything is turned off. In GPS mode, you get 73 hours (which is more than the 60 you get on the Watch Ultra in conservation mode, yes, but vastly lower than "18-22 days"!)
- benjaminberlin 4y ago
  The Apple Watch battery life quote seems misleading due to this: "1. During normal use, Apple Watch Ultra can reach up to 36 hours of battery life with iPhone present." Normal use WITH an iPhone present. I have a feeling the Apple Watch by itself in GPS mode will be much less.
  - astrange 4y ago
    The watch can have more or less battery life without a phone nearby; if you don't have a watch cellular plan it'd probably have somewhat more, since more features are turned off. Of course, if you want to force it you can use airplane mode.
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    > I have a feeling the Apple Watch by itself in GPS mode will be much less. That will be an interesting figure to find out when people start reviewing them.
- ratg13 4y ago
  If you turn on GPS tracking on the Apple watch the battery will only last about 6-8 hours.
- sytelus 4y ago
  In smartwatch mode, pulse ox, always on and gps is disabled: https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=A1gzB6SLZF6e9nnyZOfFM6 https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=A1gzB6SLZF6e9nnyZOfFM6. The battery life is not very different from Watch series 7 if these things were enabled.
- JeremyNT 4y ago
  On the Garmin devices, you start recording when you are performing an activity. The idea is that when you're running, riding, whatever, you start recording it as needed. The GPS doesn't run unless you're active. You can leave the other sensors like HRM and pulseox enabled when outside of "activities," and bluetooth is connected by default when in an activity or not, so I don't know where your "everything is turned off" assertion comes from. So this is 73 hours of actually being active. Even if you're moving all day, you wouldn't ever set it to record GPS data while you're resting, and you'd over double the battery life from what you describe. I'm a moderately active person, riding and/or running several hours a week, and have an older Garmin device with HRM always on and pulseox enabled during sleep. I charge the thing maybe once a week, usually during a shower after a run. There's really just no way you can squint at this and come to the conclusion that Apple is in the same ballpark on battery life.
maratc 4y ago
“No wireless? Less space than a Nomad? Lame!”
ghaff 4y ago
Battery is a big reason why I mostly don’t use my fairly old Apple Watch. Daily charging is mostly more trouble than it’s worth. As some point I may just get a new Fenix. I also don’t find any of the available Apple Watch outdoor apps all that great.
TMWNN 4y ago
I've enjoyed 23 days of battery life with Amazfit Bip for four years, and will never get a watch that requires charging more often than, say, two weeks.
leokennis 4y ago
I mean, my Casio F-91W has 5 years of battery life. Also it can't do shit. So my guess is their thinking is: - Garmin has 10 times the battery life - We have a 10 times better user experience - Most "outdoorsy people" (or prosumers or, let's face it, lazy people who want to look cool) will prefer user experience over battery life - So we prioritize on that

dwighttk 4y ago

18 hours is all day… 36 is long

drewg123 4y ago
The last time I had a smartwatch with "long" battery life like that was 2018 with a Polar M600. I got tired of charging it all the time and upgraded to a Garmin with a week of battery life.
saberience 4y ago
It really annoys me to have to charge my Apple Watch every day, especially because I want/need it for both sleep tracking and exercise tracking. If I use it for sleeping it invariably runs out of bettery during the night, then in the morning when I want to work out I have to charge it before the gym, it's just frustrating. I would LOVE three days of charge.
- tokamak-teapot 4y ago
  My tactic is to drop in on the charger before I start getting ready for bed, then put it back on when I’m ready to go to sleep. Because it charges quickly, that’s enough to give me power through the night and the next day. I’d still like a month of battery life though!
  - dwighttk 4y ago
    I just don’t track sleep… I sleep fine but the couple times I’ve tried sleep tracking it has just made my sleep restless because every time my sleep got shallow I woke up thinking about “I wonder how my sleep tracking is going… man I’m gonna get the best sleep score!”
- mikestew 4y ago
  This is one of the main reasons I keep a Garmin for running (that, and real buttons on the Garmin, which Apple Watch Ultra might fix). I wear the Apple Watch at night, and if I didn't remember to throw it on the charger for a bit after waking up, well, no run for you because there's not enough battery. I mean, between those two activities (sleep tracking and running), I was constantly managing the battery charging because the damned thing won't last through a day. That, and I was really doubtful that the Apple product would 100%-for-sure-no-excuses make it through a marathon, and I'm fast enough to qualify for Boston. No way it would have made it through the five hour trail marathon I ran a few weeks ago. So I really, really want the Apple Watch Ultra just so I can pare down to one watch. But the Garmin 945 isn't even a year old, so we'll see what Apple has to offer next year.
- tzs 4y ago
  Some settings might help. I have a Series 4. I stick it on the charger in the evening when I've settled down on the couch to do the NYT crossword puzzle, watch TV, and read. I inevitably fall asleep sometime during that. Sometime in the next two hours I'll wake up to go pee, see that the watch is charged, and put it on, go pee, maybe go get a drink of water, and head to bed. When I'm in bed I have the watch in theater mode and with notifications silenced. When I'm awake, but not exercising, I generally have it in theater mode with notifications not silenced. I'll toggle it out of theater mode if I'm doing something where I'll want to look at the watch more than sporadically. When I'm exercising I turn off theater mode. That's typically about 40 minutes every morning. Most evenings when I stick it on the charger it is above 50%. A fair number of days it is above 66%.
fomine3 4y ago
"18 hours is all day" has been funny argument from Apple, despite it supports sleep tracking.

entropie 4y ago

I guess the display and colors are way better on the apple watch. Retina display with 2k nits. I guess it looks awesome. I prefer my garmin too. I charge it like two times a month and my gps fixes very fast and is very accurate

snemvalts 4y ago
Garmin Epix 2 has an OLED and 6 days of battery, 4x longer, bit smaller case size as well (47 vs 49mm).
justsomehnguy 4y ago
I prefer my Axiom. The day they need a charge.. means I was in a total darkness for a couple of months. /s but only so slightly
- entropie 4y ago
  Never heard of that. https://www.axiomwatches.fr/en/ https://www.axiomwatches.fr/en/ This? Very informative website. Also I thought we talk about smart watches with GPS. Like 50 years ago we already had high precision mechanical watches that you dont need to charge ever...
  - justsomehnguy 4y ago
    > Never heard of that Well, I never heard of that too. I wear Citizen. [0] > Also I thought we talk about smart watches with GPS I had a lengthy response here, but it was throttled. To sum up: since the smartwatches became a thing I attempted multiple times to justify why I should buy one, but the need to constantly monitor it's charge level, along with my smartphone and whatever else (bt-headset, tablet, another smartphone - depending on the period) always killed the idea. I still use a wired earphones with the same reasoning - I don't want to bother with charging them, I just plug them in and they work. And the main point is still what I don't [yet?] have a killer feature in any smartwatches what would offset the charging hassle. Especially if it needed to be charged everyday (I don't think anyone lives on a 36h cycle and forgetting to charge them in the evening means they would die around noon). https://www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AU1065-58E.html?cgid=mens https://www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AU1065-58E.html?c...

slg 4y ago

What is the value of having 18 days of battery on a device like this? To me there are diminishing returns pretty quickly when it comes to battery life. I agree, there is a lot of value if you are able to hit 72-96 hours and you can go away for a weekend without worrying about charging, but 18 days seems like a waste. Are people really regularly away from their chargers for that long? At that point, I would much rather have a lighter device or one with more features.

nabaraz 4y ago
I wear my Fenix 24/7 and I want to not think about charging it more than 2 times a month.
muppetman 4y ago
The value is you can leave it on your wrist without having to take it off all the time to charge it. Like a normal watch. It's one less thing to have to have go flat on you because you forgot to charge it the night before. One less thing to be a slave to charging.
- slg 4y ago
  > It's one less thing to have to have go flat on you because you forgot to charge it the night before. But you don't need 18 days for that. Like I said, I understand wanting a few days. Why do you need a few weeks? It seems like at that point it becomes even more likely that you would forget to charge because it never becomes a routine.
  - jwagenet 4y ago
    the importance for me isn't actually the idle battery life itself (even for phones or laptops that isnt the case). The high battery life allows me to use GPS for 8-12 hours on my Coros, which is usually >20 days of idle use with infrequent HR, elevation, etc.
h4waii 4y ago
I recently returned from week long road trip, and while my wife would plug in and charge her Apple Watch every single night, I kept wearing my Pebble without a thought at all -- didn't even pack a charger. Granted, it does have fewer features, but how good are all those whiz-bangs if the battery is dead?

chrisseaton 4y ago

'Long' is obviously relative. The Garmin is an entirely different product to an Apple Watch. Recharging every 36 hours seems reasonable to me, even in very austere conditions.

alphakilo 4y ago

I definitely agree with you. Even my Garmin Phoenix 5x plus will last multiple days with GPS usage for Backcountry camping. Another factor I worry about is the durability of the screen. Although you should always travel with backup Maps nobody wants to lose their primary navigation tool because a touch screen is nicer than Sapphire glass displays. That said the Apple watch is a nicer experience than the Phoenix which I don't tend to take out of the house too often outside of activities now. Indeed the Apple watch is claiming to be usable for recreational scuba for which the Phoenix is not and you would need to use an alternative Garmin watch Perhaps the next iteration of the ultra watch will have features to extend battery life beyond the 60 hours in low battery mode it claims and hopefully towards 100 hours (14 hours * 7 days) of usage on low battery

zimpenfish 4y ago
> Even my Garmin Phoenix 5x plus will last multiple days with GPS usage for Backcountry camping. Sporadic GPS usage, I'm guessing, since Garmin themselves only claim 13 hours of GPU usage (can't tell if it has UltraTrac though - the 5x non-plus can do 50 hours in UltraTrac mode.)
- mackmgg 4y ago
  UltraTrac on my Fenix 5 is pretty useless though, you may as well not be recording at all at that point. I'm not sure if it's gotten better on the more recent watches, but the reported mileage would be off by 30%+ and the resulting map wouldn't even come close to resembling my actual path. That said, even in normal GPS only mode (no Gallileo/GLONASS), the 5 when it was new would get 30 hours of recording. Enough for most ultras, 3 days of backpacking if you record 8 hours/day, and also enough for a week trip with an hour of running every day.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    I had an older Fenix and the distance accuracy was pretty bad. But no one seems to have an issue with the current ones.

matthewmacleod 4y ago

Well, because they are different products with different features and a different set of trade-offs. It’s totally valid to think that a different product more clearly suits your needs - you don’t have to fake incredulity about it.

lukeinator42 4y ago

I totally agree with you as well. I currently have a Garmin Fenix 6 pro and it lasts around 14 days. As someone who is into trail running and backpacking, a 36 hour battery life is untenable, and charging it every night seems like a pain. The irony is that AirPods have a really great battery life (especially the carrying case) despite the small form factor, and are my go-to for long runs.

solardev 4y ago
Dumb question, if I may, having never used a GPS smartwatch: How easy to use are the Garmin watches on the trails? Can I download a certain route (like from Alltrails or Trailforks or Gaia) onto it and then have it position + route me in the woods, with just GPS and no cell signal? I don't really want a smartwatch (ugh, slack on my wrist? no thanks), but a backpacking safety companion would be awesome!
- browningstreet 4y ago
  Yes.
- mshroyer 4y ago
  You can certainly download a GPX route from services like Alltrails to the Garmin Fenix 7 for purely offline routing—that's one of the watch's strongest features. Additionally, you can do simple ad-hoc routing on the watch itself, while you're out on the trail, also totally offline. For more complex ad-hoc routing, it can be easier to design a route on the Garmin Explore app on your phone and then sync it to your watch via Bluetooth. This works (also totally offline), but the problem is that Garmin Explore's UI and trail labeling kind of sucks, at least on iOS. My preferred approach, if I'm out on a hike and want to set a new route to someplace, is to draw routes on Gaia GPS (which also has offline maps), then sync them to my Fenix 7 over Bluetooth for navigation. I wrote a Pythonista script to make this work well on iOS: https://github.com/mshroyer/pythonista-scripts/tree/master/GpxRouteToTrack https://github.com/mshroyer/pythonista-scripts/tree/master/G...
  - solardev 4y ago

oezi 4y ago

They are targeting enough battery to run a full Ironman or be offline for a weekend (60 hours). The explorer focus was just wacky.

ASalazarMX 4y ago
The picture showing an explorer dominating a snowy mountain is hilarious, I hope he brought several battery packs to charge the watch.
- thirdsun 4y ago
  > The picture showing an explorer dominating a snowy mountain is hilarious Without any gloves too.

zimpenfish 4y ago

> 18-22 days of battery life. Only in "smartwatch" mode - ie. pretty much everything is turned off. In GPS mode, you get 73 hours (which is more than the 60 you get on the Watch Ultra in conservation mode, yes, but vastly lower than "18-22 days"!)

benjaminberlin 4y ago
The Apple Watch battery life quote seems misleading due to this: "1. During normal use, Apple Watch Ultra can reach up to 36 hours of battery life with iPhone present." Normal use WITH an iPhone present. I have a feeling the Apple Watch by itself in GPS mode will be much less.
- astrange 4y ago
  The watch can have more or less battery life without a phone nearby; if you don't have a watch cellular plan it'd probably have somewhat more, since more features are turned off. Of course, if you want to force it you can use airplane mode.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  > I have a feeling the Apple Watch by itself in GPS mode will be much less. That will be an interesting figure to find out when people start reviewing them.
ratg13 4y ago
If you turn on GPS tracking on the Apple watch the battery will only last about 6-8 hours.
sytelus 4y ago
In smartwatch mode, pulse ox, always on and gps is disabled: https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=A1gzB6SLZF6e9nnyZOfFM6 https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=A1gzB6SLZF6e9nnyZOfFM6. The battery life is not very different from Watch series 7 if these things were enabled.
JeremyNT 4y ago
On the Garmin devices, you start recording when you are performing an activity. The idea is that when you're running, riding, whatever, you start recording it as needed. The GPS doesn't run unless you're active. You can leave the other sensors like HRM and pulseox enabled when outside of "activities," and bluetooth is connected by default when in an activity or not, so I don't know where your "everything is turned off" assertion comes from. So this is 73 hours of actually being active. Even if you're moving all day, you wouldn't ever set it to record GPS data while you're resting, and you'd over double the battery life from what you describe. I'm a moderately active person, riding and/or running several hours a week, and have an older Garmin device with HRM always on and pulseox enabled during sleep. I charge the thing maybe once a week, usually during a shower after a run. There's really just no way you can squint at this and come to the conclusion that Apple is in the same ballpark on battery life.

maratc 4y ago

“No wireless? Less space than a Nomad? Lame!”

ghaff 4y ago

Battery is a big reason why I mostly don’t use my fairly old Apple Watch. Daily charging is mostly more trouble than it’s worth. As some point I may just get a new Fenix. I also don’t find any of the available Apple Watch outdoor apps all that great.

TMWNN 4y ago

I've enjoyed 23 days of battery life with Amazfit Bip for four years, and will never get a watch that requires charging more often than, say, two weeks.

leokennis 4y ago

I mean, my Casio F-91W has 5 years of battery life. Also it can't do shit. So my guess is their thinking is: - Garmin has 10 times the battery life - We have a 10 times better user experience - Most "outdoorsy people" (or prosumers or, let's face it, lazy people who want to look cool) will prefer user experience over battery life - So we prioritize on that