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Well, it is entirely the state's fault - it wasn't me who cut off the only reasonably priced supplier who can provide enough supply in the name of some retarded

Well, it is entirely the state's fault - it wasn't me who cut off the only reasonably priced supplier who can provide enough supply in the name of some retarded ideology...

anovikov 4y ago
You mean Russia? There is no way anyone in the free world will ever depend on it for anything, even if it means civil war or mass dieoff. Russia has to be suppressed or at least isolated from the West to the point it can be ignored. Secondly, UK never did. It never imported any considerable amounts of energy from Russia. What happens in UK now is consequence of lack of storage facilities "optimised" away by privatisation, combined with skyrocketing world prices because of Putin switching off gas (and no it wasn't done through sanctions, it was a one-sided Russian decision). What could the West do? Just allow occupation of Ukraine doing nothing? And in any case, UK could not do anything. It's not even a member of EU anymore to veto any sanctions if it wanted to. It just happened to UK, an indirect effect.
- luciusdomitius 4y ago
  Well, when your military is a joke after 30 years of underinvestment, this is what you do - watch by and squeak your teeth angrily. On top of that the will of actual Europeans regarding Ukraine is completely different: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93Eur.... I forgot that in the "free" world, democracy and referendums don't really mean anything.
  - anovikov 4y ago
    Will the public accept going at war with Russia any easier than higher energy bills? I doubt it. We need Russia to become unable to exert any sort of political influence over the West, and two ways of doing it they had were the thereat of cutting off energy supplies (which has been realised, in case of oil and coal, from our side, and in case of gas, from their side, so it's no longer a threat and thus no longer a tool that can influence us), and the threat of invasion (which turned out to be a bluff because they can't even properly invade Ukraine). Now all we need to do is to go through the end here: finalise cutoff of all remaining Russian energy supplies and bring energy markets back in balance after that, and achieve a full victory in Ukraine. Both is a lot cheaper than anyone could assume to "solve" Russian question once and forever: then it can simply be seen as a Russkistan we can forget about.
- Larrikin 4y ago
  Whenever a comment seems too ridiculous to be a serious take, look through a couple pages of the posters history before replying seriously. It helps you waste less time.

Well, it is entirely the state's fault - it wasn't me who cut off the only reasonably priced supplier who can provide enough supply in the name of some retarded ideology...

anovikov 4y ago

You mean Russia? There is no way anyone in the free world will ever depend on it for anything, even if it means civil war or mass dieoff. Russia has to be suppressed or at least isolated from the West to the point it can be ignored. Secondly, UK never did. It never imported any considerable amounts of energy from Russia. What happens in UK now is consequence of lack of storage facilities "optimised" away by privatisation, combined with skyrocketing world prices because of Putin switching off gas (and no it wasn't done through sanctions, it was a one-sided Russian decision). What could the West do? Just allow occupation of Ukraine doing nothing? And in any case, UK could not do anything. It's not even a member of EU anymore to veto any sanctions if it wanted to. It just happened to UK, an indirect effect.

luciusdomitius 4y ago
Well, when your military is a joke after 30 years of underinvestment, this is what you do - watch by and squeak your teeth angrily. On top of that the will of actual Europeans regarding Ukraine is completely different: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93Eur.... I forgot that in the "free" world, democracy and referendums don't really mean anything.
- anovikov 4y ago
  Will the public accept going at war with Russia any easier than higher energy bills? I doubt it. We need Russia to become unable to exert any sort of political influence over the West, and two ways of doing it they had were the thereat of cutting off energy supplies (which has been realised, in case of oil and coal, from our side, and in case of gas, from their side, so it's no longer a threat and thus no longer a tool that can influence us), and the threat of invasion (which turned out to be a bluff because they can't even properly invade Ukraine). Now all we need to do is to go through the end here: finalise cutoff of all remaining Russian energy supplies and bring energy markets back in balance after that, and achieve a full victory in Ukraine. Both is a lot cheaper than anyone could assume to "solve" Russian question once and forever: then it can simply be seen as a Russkistan we can forget about.
Larrikin 4y ago
Whenever a comment seems too ridiculous to be a serious take, look through a couple pages of the posters history before replying seriously. It helps you waste less time.