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No you can look at CDC excess death counts if you're so concerned about the with vs. of COVID minimization. According to excess deaths we're over 1.2 million d

No you can look at CDC excess death counts if you're so concerned about the with vs. of COVID minimization. According to excess deaths we're over 1.2 million dead vs. pre-pandemic. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm But to humor you, OK what exactly has caused over a million people to mysteriously die in the last couple years if it wasn't COVID?

ekianjo 4y ago
CDC is not a reliable source. They are completely partisan and sold to Pfizer and Co. Look for other health authorities around the world for a better picture.
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OrvalWintermute 4y ago
You're making a cause and effect mistake. We know there is excess mortality. We know there are deaths from covid. We know there are deaths with Covid from events, gunshots and car accidents. We know from actuarial tables there are 3 sigma increases in deaths among some working age populations. We know here in the US, for the majority of the epidemic, the treatment for COVID only started if you were bad off enough to be in the hospital; unofficial off-label treatments have been widely demonized. We know there are alleged weird adverse events from both Covid, and the vaccines. We know some medical treatments for COVID early in the epidemic are now considered contrary to Standard of Care for COVID. We know many people are claiming new disabilities from Covid, and also, the vaccines. We know many people have lost their jobs for refusing vaccination, particularly in healthcare. We know drinking and substance abuse have gone up. We know extreme isolation which many people have experienced has gone through the roof. We know that many industries have been devastated by Covid. We know many people are depressed, and suicide rates have gone up. We know supply chains have been damaged, and some essential supplies may be transferring in greatly reduced numbers. We know that many families have had to do virtual schooling, and have much higher stress levels. We know that many businesses in the US are still treading water and having problems making payroll, with 20% of small businesses missing rent payments in the last 3 months. We know many people are becoming homeless, and some people are likewise going hungry, or starving. We know some states, NY & NJ in particular, ordered at-risk populations of eldery to sequester their vulnerable infected, with the vulnerable un-infected, and to continue to accept covid infected referrals from hospitals. We know that hospitals and potentially others, have received renumerations based on covid cases, diagnoses, and cause of death that may disproportionately effected ICD coding used by hospital administrators. Given all of above, it is dangerously cavalier to point out one singular cause of deaths only.
- trention 4y ago
  >Given all of above, it is dangerously cavalier to point out one singular cause of deaths only. Occam's razor says your wall of text is just rationalizing bullshit.
  - peteradio 4y ago
    Occam's razor is not a dousing rod for the actual truth in complex situations. It's a tool for dismissing wild claims in the face of the very obvious.
    - ekianjo 4y ago
      Occams razor is overhyped. It is almost never useful when it comes to complex systems.
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    occams razor is another name for confirmation bias. you dont win an argument with this kind of bullshit.
    - trention 4y ago
      Occam's razor is an entirely logical heuristic whereas confirmation bias is not. But it's good that you show so readily you have no grasp of even basic concepts.
  - andsoitis 4y ago
    Notice how they start off by saying something we’d agree with (“We know there is excess mortality.”) and take us on a windy road, ending in conspiracy.
    - timr 4y ago
      Sorry, what "conspiracy" is it that you're claiming? Here are the last two sentences of the comment. Both are objectively true: > We know some states, NY & NJ in particular, ordered at-risk populations of eldery to sequester their vulnerable infected, with the vulnerable un-infected, and to continue to accept covid infected referrals from hospitals. This is 100% true [1]. > We know that hospitals and potentially others, have received renumerations based on covid cases, diagnoses, and cause of death that may disproportionately effected ICD coding used by hospital administrators. This is also true. Every hospital in the US gets paid higher medicare rates for Covid patients. Even factcheck.org admits the truth of the statement, despite trying hard to "debunk" it [2]. [1] https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/26/cuomos-nursing-home-fiasco-ethical-perils-pandemic-policymaking/ https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/26/cuomos-nursing-home-fias... [2] https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-...

ekianjo 4y ago

CDC is not a reliable source. They are completely partisan and sold to Pfizer and Co. Look for other health authorities around the world for a better picture.

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OrvalWintermute 4y ago

You're making a cause and effect mistake. We know there is excess mortality. We know there are deaths from covid. We know there are deaths with Covid from events, gunshots and car accidents. We know from actuarial tables there are 3 sigma increases in deaths among some working age populations. We know here in the US, for the majority of the epidemic, the treatment for COVID only started if you were bad off enough to be in the hospital; unofficial off-label treatments have been widely demonized. We know there are alleged weird adverse events from both Covid, and the vaccines. We know some medical treatments for COVID early in the epidemic are now considered contrary to Standard of Care for COVID. We know many people are claiming new disabilities from Covid, and also, the vaccines. We know many people have lost their jobs for refusing vaccination, particularly in healthcare. We know drinking and substance abuse have gone up. We know extreme isolation which many people have experienced has gone through the roof. We know that many industries have been devastated by Covid. We know many people are depressed, and suicide rates have gone up. We know supply chains have been damaged, and some essential supplies may be transferring in greatly reduced numbers. We know that many families have had to do virtual schooling, and have much higher stress levels. We know that many businesses in the US are still treading water and having problems making payroll, with 20% of small businesses missing rent payments in the last 3 months. We know many people are becoming homeless, and some people are likewise going hungry, or starving. We know some states, NY & NJ in particular, ordered at-risk populations of eldery to sequester their vulnerable infected, with the vulnerable un-infected, and to continue to accept covid infected referrals from hospitals. We know that hospitals and potentially others, have received renumerations based on covid cases, diagnoses, and cause of death that may disproportionately effected ICD coding used by hospital administrators. Given all of above, it is dangerously cavalier to point out one singular cause of deaths only.

trention 4y ago
>Given all of above, it is dangerously cavalier to point out one singular cause of deaths only. Occam's razor says your wall of text is just rationalizing bullshit.
- peteradio 4y ago
  Occam's razor is not a dousing rod for the actual truth in complex situations. It's a tool for dismissing wild claims in the face of the very obvious.
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    Occams razor is overhyped. It is almost never useful when it comes to complex systems.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  occams razor is another name for confirmation bias. you dont win an argument with this kind of bullshit.
  - trention 4y ago
    Occam's razor is an entirely logical heuristic whereas confirmation bias is not. But it's good that you show so readily you have no grasp of even basic concepts.
- andsoitis 4y ago
  Notice how they start off by saying something we’d agree with (“We know there is excess mortality.”) and take us on a windy road, ending in conspiracy.
  - timr 4y ago
    Sorry, what "conspiracy" is it that you're claiming? Here are the last two sentences of the comment. Both are objectively true: > We know some states, NY & NJ in particular, ordered at-risk populations of eldery to sequester their vulnerable infected, with the vulnerable un-infected, and to continue to accept covid infected referrals from hospitals. This is 100% true [1]. > We know that hospitals and potentially others, have received renumerations based on covid cases, diagnoses, and cause of death that may disproportionately effected ICD coding used by hospital administrators. This is also true. Every hospital in the US gets paid higher medicare rates for Covid patients. Even factcheck.org admits the truth of the statement, despite trying hard to "debunk" it [2]. [1] https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/26/cuomos-nursing-home-fiasco-ethical-perils-pandemic-policymaking/ https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/26/cuomos-nursing-home-fias... [2] https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-...