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It is not the first time when product simulates imperfections of the past technology to make product more authentic in customers eyes. Film color,lenses defect

It is not the first time when product simulates imperfections of the past technology to make product more authentic in customers eyes. Film color,lenses defects, lots of "analog" audio effects and now cars.

Kaibeezy 4y ago
The feeling of controlling a machine = "imperfections" What I would expect a machine to say. I, for one, do not welcome our new robot overlords.
- SilverBirch 4y ago
  It's not about control. Transmissions in cars existed because internal combustion engines have a torque curve - the amount of torque you can get out of an engine varies with the engine speed, and so in order to maximize the torque at any given road speed you need to match the current road speed with the engine speed that produces peak torque. Now, there were different ways of doing this - manual transmissions vs semi-auto vs fully-auto and they did genuinely have pros and cons. For an ICE car there is genuinely a trade-off of how much control you have over the transmission. BUT that's entirely untrue of electric cars, electric motors produce maximum torque at 0 engine speed and eventually drop at high speed. So there's simply no reason to be using a transmission at all. There is no decision to be made about gearing, you either have enough torque or you don't.
  - flyingfences 4y ago
    It is about the feeling of control now. The reason people who still choose manuals do so isn't because of the torque curves -- automatics are now better at handling that -- it's because they like the feeling.
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    - bryanlarsen 4y ago
      When you're used to a manual, an automatic feels mushy. An EV is directly coupled, so adding a manual transmission makes it more must, rather than less.
      - LorenPechtel 4y ago
        Disagree--I used to have that objection with automatics, but the modern ones are good enough I no longer feel that way. Never have I felt my Corolla made the wrong choice about gears.
        bryanlarsen 4y ago
        It's the lag on the accelerator pedal that I think of when I think of mush.
        LorenPechtel 4y ago
        That's what I was thinking of, also--and I don't see it in my Corolla. It's always at least as good as the manual I drove before. It's got two downshifts rather than a paddle shifter, but since I discovered the cruise control does a better job than downshifting I haven't used them at all. The only case the cruise control doesn't handle is that for some reason it drops out at 28mph--I'm guessing it's a limit in the adaptive tracking. Thus you can't use cruise control to hold it to 25 mph going downhill.
    - Kaibeezy 4y ago
      It's because I want to choose. Even your fancy Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (in auto mode) doesn't know or care what I want to do.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  I mean an EV will have a different feeling. No need to attempt to simulate legacy stuff. Learn to work with the new stuff. The interesting thing is with an EV you can customize the crap out of how the thing feels. You can (theoretically) tweak all the rates used by the controls to make it feel any way you want.
checkyoursudo 4y ago
I think it is kind of funny to come across video games that have crazy lens flare. I assume that is to give them cinematic feel rather than some nostalgic anachronism, but this reminds me of that too?
WithinReason 4y ago
The movie frame rate of 24 fps...
falcor84 4y ago
On a sidenote, here's a controversial opinion - electrically-powered analog clocks are silly and we should discontinue making them.
- aidenn0 4y ago
  As someone with zero sense of time, analog clocks let me use my spatial reasoning to reason about time. I am much more aware of how much time I'm spending on something with an analog clock
  - falcor84 4y ago
    You piqued my curiousity here - do you mean you would think to yourself something along the lines of "I have until the minute hand goes 60 degrees further than it is now" as opposed to "I have 10 more minutes"?
    - claudiawerner 4y ago
      As someone who shares this perception, for me it's not nearly as analytical. I can physically see how much is left; I don't think in terms of the numbers. It's sort of like judging the distance between your workplace and the coffee shop down the street, in which if asked you'd make some heuristics to estimate how long it takes you to get there, but by default you just 'know' it is where it is, even if you don't think of the distance in meters. So it's more like "I have <image of clock> left" because I intuitively know what the clock will look like when the time is up.
    - aidenn0 4y ago
      Pretty much what claudiawerner said in the sibling comment. When I used to drink coffee, I took sugar in it. Sugar in diners often came in a dispenser[1]. I could tell when I had the right amount of sugar poured in from one of these even though it might clump on a humid day and pour freely on a dry day. With an analog watch, I can do this for time, but with a digital I cannot. A digital watch requires much more conscious thought; if I log all my activities and make a spreadsheet &c. I can calculate a range of time it will take me for all my tasks, but with an analog watch I can just intuit it. To some personality types doing all of this seems to be enjoyable, but it's quite painful for me. 1: Like this: https://rapidswholesale.com/browne-halco-12-oz-sugar-pourer.html?msclkid=8eea90924d3d12f1355df3846f0fadd4&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=(ROI)%20Shopping%20-%201-100%20AOV%20Tier&utm_term=4579740811329090&utm_content=AOV%201-100%20Tier https://rapidswholesale.com/browne-halco-12-oz-sugar-pourer....
jancsika 4y ago
"View Source" on modern web browsers, Rust's "unsafe," human logins for HN's GPT-3 sandbox... it's like we're addicted to the past. Union protectionism and crony capitalism at its best if you ask me, YMMV.
kitd 4y ago
It reminds me of the times I've had to make code "bug-compatible" with previous releases to fit in with how the outside world as adapted our systems.

Kaibeezy 4y ago

The feeling of controlling a machine = "imperfections" What I would expect a machine to say. I, for one, do not welcome our new robot overlords.

SilverBirch 4y ago
It's not about control. Transmissions in cars existed because internal combustion engines have a torque curve - the amount of torque you can get out of an engine varies with the engine speed, and so in order to maximize the torque at any given road speed you need to match the current road speed with the engine speed that produces peak torque. Now, there were different ways of doing this - manual transmissions vs semi-auto vs fully-auto and they did genuinely have pros and cons. For an ICE car there is genuinely a trade-off of how much control you have over the transmission. BUT that's entirely untrue of electric cars, electric motors produce maximum torque at 0 engine speed and eventually drop at high speed. So there's simply no reason to be using a transmission at all. There is no decision to be made about gearing, you either have enough torque or you don't.
- flyingfences 4y ago
  It is about the feeling of control now. The reason people who still choose manuals do so isn't because of the torque curves -- automatics are now better at handling that -- it's because they like the feeling.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    When you're used to a manual, an automatic feels mushy. An EV is directly coupled, so adding a manual transmission makes it more must, rather than less.
    - LorenPechtel 4y ago
      Disagree--I used to have that objection with automatics, but the modern ones are good enough I no longer feel that way. Never have I felt my Corolla made the wrong choice about gears.
      - bryanlarsen 4y ago
        It's the lag on the accelerator pedal that I think of when I think of mush.
        LorenPechtel 4y ago
        That's what I was thinking of, also--and I don't see it in my Corolla. It's always at least as good as the manual I drove before. It's got two downshifts rather than a paddle shifter, but since I discovered the cruise control does a better job than downshifting I haven't used them at all. The only case the cruise control doesn't handle is that for some reason it drops out at 28mph--I'm guessing it's a limit in the adaptive tracking. Thus you can't use cruise control to hold it to 25 mph going downhill.
  - Kaibeezy 4y ago
    It's because I want to choose. Even your fancy Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (in auto mode) doesn't know or care what I want to do.
spookthesunset 4y ago
I mean an EV will have a different feeling. No need to attempt to simulate legacy stuff. Learn to work with the new stuff. The interesting thing is with an EV you can customize the crap out of how the thing feels. You can (theoretically) tweak all the rates used by the controls to make it feel any way you want.

checkyoursudo 4y ago

I think it is kind of funny to come across video games that have crazy lens flare. I assume that is to give them cinematic feel rather than some nostalgic anachronism, but this reminds me of that too?

WithinReason 4y ago

The movie frame rate of 24 fps...

falcor84 4y ago

On a sidenote, here's a controversial opinion - electrically-powered analog clocks are silly and we should discontinue making them.

aidenn0 4y ago
As someone with zero sense of time, analog clocks let me use my spatial reasoning to reason about time. I am much more aware of how much time I'm spending on something with an analog clock
- falcor84 4y ago
  You piqued my curiousity here - do you mean you would think to yourself something along the lines of "I have until the minute hand goes 60 degrees further than it is now" as opposed to "I have 10 more minutes"?
  - claudiawerner 4y ago
    As someone who shares this perception, for me it's not nearly as analytical. I can physically see how much is left; I don't think in terms of the numbers. It's sort of like judging the distance between your workplace and the coffee shop down the street, in which if asked you'd make some heuristics to estimate how long it takes you to get there, but by default you just 'know' it is where it is, even if you don't think of the distance in meters. So it's more like "I have <image of clock> left" because I intuitively know what the clock will look like when the time is up.
  - aidenn0 4y ago
    Pretty much what claudiawerner said in the sibling comment. When I used to drink coffee, I took sugar in it. Sugar in diners often came in a dispenser[1]. I could tell when I had the right amount of sugar poured in from one of these even though it might clump on a humid day and pour freely on a dry day. With an analog watch, I can do this for time, but with a digital I cannot. A digital watch requires much more conscious thought; if I log all my activities and make a spreadsheet &c. I can calculate a range of time it will take me for all my tasks, but with an analog watch I can just intuit it. To some personality types doing all of this seems to be enjoyable, but it's quite painful for me. 1: Like this: https://rapidswholesale.com/browne-halco-12-oz-sugar-pourer.html?msclkid=8eea90924d3d12f1355df3846f0fadd4&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=(ROI)%20Shopping%20-%201-100%20AOV%20Tier&utm_term=4579740811329090&utm_content=AOV%201-100%20Tier https://rapidswholesale.com/browne-halco-12-oz-sugar-pourer....

jancsika 4y ago

"View Source" on modern web browsers, Rust's "unsafe," human logins for HN's GPT-3 sandbox... it's like we're addicted to the past. Union protectionism and crony capitalism at its best if you ask me, YMMV.

kitd 4y ago

It reminds me of the times I've had to make code "bug-compatible" with previous releases to fit in with how the outside world as adapted our systems.