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> What do others think about this and how do you deal with this? One word: counter-offer Welcome to the world (plane?) of zero-sum games and adversarial strat
by sinenomine 4y ago
> What do others think about this and how do you deal with this?
One word: counter-offer
Welcome to the world (plane?) of zero-sum games and adversarial strategies! Appealing to fairness doesn't help in this world - because the values and corresponding strategies of your management and yourself are fundamentally adversarial to each other - that is, your delta of profit is their delta of loss. People like to argue sophisticated game theoretical takes that serve to obfuscate this simple truth.
For a more esoteric take:
You could as well model our life as a trajectory unfolding across a stack of "planes" - most common people manage to constrain their limited & valuable attention to "narrative plane" or "social plane" where the main "control points" (as in Bézier curves) are mainly various narratives floating around and signals of social (dis)approval applied to you. Compared to the harsher plane of adversarial game theory I mentioned earlier this social plane is much more fuzzy and forgiving (main message - be a nice person, get an average nice life). Yet for all its self-evident harshness, keeping one's attention away from the adversarial plane (where the main control points are hard decisions, often legally-powered, decisions bearing heavy financial and business implications) leads one to sub-optimal outcomes.
If you play this game by its true rules, your score will increase. That being said, I agree with the increasingly common sentiment that this is long-term unsustainable (sobering statistic: https://florentcrivello.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/image3.png https://florentcrivello.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/image... ). Some solution is increasingly becoming necessary, and this solution is likely some form of UBI.
Why our politics is dominated by various local and global non-sequitur causes and not this sobering issue of rising necessity of UBI is an exercise left to the reader.
- pyrodactyl 4y agoHaha, this seems important but I don't fully understand what you're saying. Will need sometime to process this.
- sinenomine 4y agoIt's ultimately simple: many people, especially people from professional–managerial class (PMC) which keeps rising in its aggregate wealth & prominence during the recent past, will tell you (maybe in a comment section on HN or some other media) that using "counter-offers" as a career strategy is unethical, akin to blackmail. This is a (often performative) niceness narrative common to the social plane. Be aware that it very well could be the same PMC people who consistently use various tricks to lowball (google it) offers for productive people like you and me in their day to day hiring practice, simply because they can - this is the logic of harsh business plane. There is no contradiction here. Counter-offer is something you can use as well.
- pasquinelli 4y ago> Welcome to the world (plane?) of zero-sum games and adversarial strategies! Appealing to fairness doesn't help in this world - because the values and corresponding strategies of your management and yourself are fundamentally adversarial to each other - that is, your delta of profit is their delta of loss. People like to argue sophisticated game theoretical takes that serve to obfuscate this simple truth. what is this, Das Kapital?
- sinenomine 4y agoMore like /r/cscareerquestions
- barrysteve 4y agoIt's easy to see politics as a series of non-sequitur causes when you esoterically model your workplace as a tree of maps where normal humans are reduced to control points on a biezer curve. I'm sure somewhere near the start there was the intent to help OP and by the end of it we are talking UBI for some interdimensional reason. Game theory and economics already exists if you want to model business relationships, without cracking open some vaguely esoteric metaphysical mess. Though I do enjoy a good metaphysical discussion.