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At this point I can say I am stunned at the hypocrisy of Hacker News’ hivemind. Deplatform KiwiFarms for their harassment, don’t deplatform PornHub from Instag

At this point I can say I am stunned at the hypocrisy of Hacker News’ hivemind. Deplatform KiwiFarms for their harassment, don’t deplatform PornHub from Instagram for having almost-useless non-consensual upload prevention systems.

robertlagrant 4y ago
There's no hive mind. Just individuals. That's why there's no hypocrisy.
- chihuahua 4y ago
  Thank you for pointing this out. It is apparently difficult to understand for some people. Let me spell it out in more detail: * There is a community ("HN") with many individuals. The individuals are independent of each other. Each can form and express their own opinion on each subject. There is no reason to expect that any two individuals should agree or be consistent on anything. They may agree on some things, or not. * Therefore, when several individuals from the community express opinions that are inconsistent with each other, this does not constitute hypocrisy.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    Agreed. Some people's discourse seems to be an endless string of category errors. What a waste of disk space!
- IshKebab 4y ago
  Not true. The upvote/downvote system creates the hive mind. It's maybe less noticeable than on Reddit, but on the other hand HN attracts certain kinds of people so there's already a degree of self selection. Imagine if the population of the world voted for equality for all, but also death to the Jews. Those votes represent the average opinion (AKA the hive mind). That hive mind would be hypocritical even though it is made up of individuals.
  - yakshaving_jgt 4y ago
    I think your point is interesting and you could have made it without invoking Godwin’s Law.
    - IshKebab 4y ago
      Could have, but why does it matter?
      - yakshaving_jgt 4y ago
        Because invoking Godwin's Law tends to shut down discussion rather than further it. It also undermines your own argument because choosing such a jarring example makes it harder for the reader to interpret your argument as having been made in good faith, which is a shame because overall I think your point is correct.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        I think only these comments you've made have attempted to shut down discussion. You're just bikeshedding. If an extreme example throws a point into sharp relief, rather than exaggerates a point, then that's good.
        IshKebab 4y ago
        No, the extreme example was deliberate to make the point clear. The point would have been less clear with a less extreme example.
  - saurik 4y ago
    This isn't about majority votes, though. If 10% of Hacker News believes one thing and 10% believes the other--and even with 80% hating the topic entirely and refusing to participate--you will get weird juxtapositions of stories on either side hitting and holding the front page. You aren't even guaranteed to get a mix of comments, because the kind of people who show up to talk about one issue and the kind of people who show up to talk about another issue might have less overlap than you would expect from being on the same website.
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robertlagrant 4y ago

There's no hive mind. Just individuals. That's why there's no hypocrisy.

chihuahua 4y ago
Thank you for pointing this out. It is apparently difficult to understand for some people. Let me spell it out in more detail: * There is a community ("HN") with many individuals. The individuals are independent of each other. Each can form and express their own opinion on each subject. There is no reason to expect that any two individuals should agree or be consistent on anything. They may agree on some things, or not. * Therefore, when several individuals from the community express opinions that are inconsistent with each other, this does not constitute hypocrisy.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  Agreed. Some people's discourse seems to be an endless string of category errors. What a waste of disk space!
IshKebab 4y ago
Not true. The upvote/downvote system creates the hive mind. It's maybe less noticeable than on Reddit, but on the other hand HN attracts certain kinds of people so there's already a degree of self selection. Imagine if the population of the world voted for equality for all, but also death to the Jews. Those votes represent the average opinion (AKA the hive mind). That hive mind would be hypocritical even though it is made up of individuals.
- yakshaving_jgt 4y ago
  I think your point is interesting and you could have made it without invoking Godwin’s Law.
  - IshKebab 4y ago
    Could have, but why does it matter?
    - yakshaving_jgt 4y ago
      Because invoking Godwin's Law tends to shut down discussion rather than further it. It also undermines your own argument because choosing such a jarring example makes it harder for the reader to interpret your argument as having been made in good faith, which is a shame because overall I think your point is correct.
      - robertlagrant 4y ago
        I think only these comments you've made have attempted to shut down discussion. You're just bikeshedding. If an extreme example throws a point into sharp relief, rather than exaggerates a point, then that's good.
      - IshKebab 4y ago
        No, the extreme example was deliberate to make the point clear. The point would have been less clear with a less extreme example.
- saurik 4y ago
  This isn't about majority votes, though. If 10% of Hacker News believes one thing and 10% believes the other--and even with 80% hating the topic entirely and refusing to participate--you will get weird juxtapositions of stories on either side hitting and holding the front page. You aren't even guaranteed to get a mix of comments, because the kind of people who show up to talk about one issue and the kind of people who show up to talk about another issue might have less overlap than you would expect from being on the same website.

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