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Instagram removes Pornhub's account
- aaaaaaaaaaab 4y agoWill Twitter remove OnlyFans’s account too? They are arguably the largest child porn distributor at the moment.
- lizardactivist 4y agoOnlyFans? Not a chance, they have super strict checks in place. Snapchat and Twitter on the other hand are full of CP and adolescents posting questionable pictures. And Whatsapp seems to be the go-to app for groups people sharing links to material like this. Even in my country where the media love to hype and profess the American social media and content giants, they find that competitors like OnlyFans, TikTok, Line etc. are on a completely different level when it comes to safety and quickly responding to illegal content.
- unfunco 4y agoMaybe things have changed in the last year but OnlyFans has had its own problems too: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57429900 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57429900
- rhizome 4y agoIs identity theft really their problem to solve?
- yakshaving_jgt 4y agoMost FinTech businesses are obliged to undertake KYC procedures, so yes, identity theft is a problem that private business are commonly expected to solve, and it should also be the responsibility of any platform like OF. They are, in a sense, a FinTech company after all.
- 91edec 4y agoThey are a PimpTech company.
- treeman79 4y agoLegally yes.
- wiseowise 4y agoOf course. Would you be happy if someone posted you under your name?
- sgjohnson 4y agoIf someone stole my identity, I’d have bigger things to worry about. About the particular situation you’re describing—wouldn’t care, as I would have full deniability.
- yanderekko 4y agoIANAL but strict liability could very well apply here, so the answer may be yes.
- Beltalowda 4y agoPeople are using fake passports; how far should OnlyFans go to verify someone's real-life identity? My sister could sign up, and I could appear on the videos. This is going to be hard to prevent, especially in cases of 17year olds like in the story where it's not immediately clear from the material itself they're under 18. I can't really think of any system that would prevent this while also not being highly invasive.
- jawngee 4y agoAll performers in videos on OF need to be verified and submit paperwork or it'll get pulled.
- Beltalowda 4y agoYes, but the point is that people are faking that paperwork. So what do you do then as a platform? Do you need to do anything? Is the platform even responsible for this? And if so, to what degree?
- Mindwipe 4y agoNothing in that article suggests OnlyFans is "one of the biggest" distributors of child abuse material. It's only substantive example is a single individual who was able to fool a moderator that family members passport was theirs, and that pales in comparison to... Well literally anything you might compare to.
- unfunco 4y agoIt wasn't me that said it was one of the biggest distributors, I said they had their own problems, and they did.
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- vachina 4y agoCan you cite some example links so that I can add them to my URL filter?
- phantomathkg 4y agoCan you show any example/creditable source to prove?
- throw_m239339 4y agoTo the people who ask for sources: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57255983 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57255983 https://popwrapped.com/onlyfans-a-breeding-ground-for-child-sexual-abuse-ncose-calls-for-doj-investigation/ https://popwrapped.com/onlyfans-a-breeding-ground-for-child-... the "checks" onlyfans implements are easily bypassed by minors or their adult pimps.
- rvz 4y ago> They are arguably the largest child porn distributor at the moment. Not sure about that claim, but Twitter still is distributing CP on their platform and they are still unable to remove it, which means they are indeed breaking the law. [0] [1] [2] [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/30/india-twitter-kashmir-map-child-pornography https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/30/india-twitter-kashm... [1] https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-rules-twitter-can-be-sued-for-failing-to-take-down-child-porn-videos/ https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-rules-twitter-can-be-su... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-20/twitter-faces-claim-it-benefited-from-child-sex-trafficking https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-20/twitter-f...
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- shakes_mcjunkie 4y agoI'm sure they do. It's hard to root for a company as diabolical as MindGeek but the organization fighting them (and winning in this case) has it's roots in a right wing, sex-negative, religious moralism. So yea I'm sure Pornhub cares and it's probably good for everyone else to care because it's the fights on these moral fringes were society's values are shaped.
- seydor 4y agoi dont think i ve ever seen the pornhub instagram account, and i am a pornhub user But you are right, mindgeek will probably shut down at some point , leaving the space open for a new porn king, which will probably (?) be in Russia, and it will use cryptocurrency out of necessity. In that sense, i m kind of rooting for it tbh
- shakes_mcjunkie 4y agoIf you think MindGeek should shutdown for the things they've done, I don't think a "new porn king" in Russia using crypto is going to solve any of those problems.
- infinityio 4y agoMy interpretation was that they are rooting for mindgeek (being able to fix the numerous issues they have), because the alternative will be so much worse
- lizardactivist 4y agoIf Mindgeek shuts down or sells its business, the new owner will be US-based. There's a clear pattern that is becoming very visible now, where the US attacks European or Asian owned companies in the social/content media space by leveraging baseless accusations about wrongdoings or some crime committed, then disturbing the service by threatening to ban it, or withdrawing access to payment methods. It doesn't matter what space or type of company it is. If it is large enough and owns a big piece of a lucrative market, then it will be attacked. The goal is to put pressure and allowing US-based investment firms to acquire the company, or to make it fold so US-based competitors can absorb the market share, and thus finally owning and controlling what is typically tens of billions of market share and steering the revenue into the US. TikTok, Pornhub/Mindgeek, Spotify, and OnlyFans are some recent examples where exactly this method is being applied.
- pjc50 4y agoIt's going to be interesting to contrast this comment section with the Kiwifarms one.
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- pjc50 4y agoThe alleged pro-free-speech right never got the "I disagree with what you say but" memo; they have only very weakly if ever stood up for non-right free speech, such as when Switter got banned from Cloudflare https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16876040 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16876040
- im3w1l 4y agoI briefly interacted with a few people from switter during my fediverse stay. I'm sorry to hear they are gone. I do believe that it was for legal reasons (laws that I do not agree with), so cloudflares hands were tied.
- yew 4y agoEh, there's nothing wrong with banning both. A pluralistic world has no room for the kind of toxic, offensive material that comes out of these antisocial (asocial?) spaces. Voltaire was simply wrong about what an enlightened society looks like. It's basic paradox of tolerance stuff. Some things shouldn't exist anywhere.
- Dalewyn 4y agoTwo things: * Free Speech exists to protect and guarantee disagreeable speech, because guess what: Nobody's going to censor speech they like or agree with; agreeable speech by its very nature does not need Free Speech protections. * You have no Right to Not Be Offended, such a right does not exist period. Grow some skin and git gud.
- wiseowise 4y ago> The plaintiff in the case against MindGeek that names Visa as a defendent is Serena Fleites, who, when she was 13, said she was pressured by her then-boyfriend into making a sexually explicit video — which he allegedly uploaded to Pornhub without her knowledge or consent. So if someone uploads porn video on Dropbox, should it be banned too?
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- nvahalik 4y agoYou don’t have to even upload it. Possession is a crime.
- wiseowise 4y agoI mean from platforms standpoint.
- ehnto 4y agoI believe safe harbor laws cover this for the platform, but perhaps some platforms are pushing the limits and litigation will likely still be how we decide upon that. It would be surprising if there isn't precedent on this already, I would be surprised if it goes anywhere.
- uxcolumbo 4y agoShe was 13 when she was filmed by her boyfriend. He uploaded it. She asked for it to be removed… but those mindgeek scummy leadership folks ignored it initially. Nothing wrong with adults showing others how they are rubbing their various body parts together and exchanging fluids (aka porn)… as long as it’s consensual and nobody is getting exploited or hurt. But Mindgeek are / were exploitative. https://traffickinghub.com/ https://traffickinghub.com/
- dijit 4y agoWorth noting that pornhub and other mindgeek properties actually attempts extensive moderation of their platforms and err on the side of caution about complaints on videos. It’s exceptionally easy to deplatform someone on pornhub as flagged videos are almost instantly removed and put up for review. They even made the controversial move of only allowing verified accounts to post on pornhub for precisely this reason.
- throw_m239339 4y agoGood, all these e-pimps are totally unscrupulous when it comes making money with child porn and revenge porn, and it also concerns websites like Only Fans, Twitter or Reddit...
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- account-5 4y agoThe financial times has an excellent podcast about online porn, its history, and the hidden porn barons: https://www.ft.com/content/762e4648-06d7-4abd-8d1e-ccefb74b3244 https://www.ft.com/content/762e4648-06d7-4abd-8d1e-ccefb74b3... Well worth a listen.
- capableweb 4y agoIs there anything specific from that podcast you'd like to share that is related to large content platforms like Facebook deleting accounts for other large adult content platforms like MindGeek? Or are we supposed to listen through ~4 hours of audio content to get the gist of what you're saying?
- account-5 4y agoYou're supposed to listen to it obviously but if you want spoilers then payment processors police porn, porn sites have to follow their rules or lose all money. The way around this used by some is to become their own payment processors. It's more nuanced than that and covers lots more stuff in a better explained fashion than I'm doing here but you get the point. I didn't take notes so forgive any inaccuracies, I tend to listen to podcasts when walking the dog and doing the cleaning.
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- gjsman-1000 4y agoAt this point I can say I am stunned at the hypocrisy of Hacker News’ hivemind. Deplatform KiwiFarms for their harassment, don’t deplatform PornHub from Instagram for having almost-useless non-consensual upload prevention systems.
- robertlagrant 4y agoThere's no hive mind. Just individuals. That's why there's no hypocrisy.
- chihuahua 4y agoThank you for pointing this out. It is apparently difficult to understand for some people. Let me spell it out in more detail: * There is a community ("HN") with many individuals. The individuals are independent of each other. Each can form and express their own opinion on each subject. There is no reason to expect that any two individuals should agree or be consistent on anything. They may agree on some things, or not. * Therefore, when several individuals from the community express opinions that are inconsistent with each other, this does not constitute hypocrisy.
- robertlagrant 4y agoAgreed. Some people's discourse seems to be an endless string of category errors. What a waste of disk space!
- IshKebab 4y agoNot true. The upvote/downvote system creates the hive mind. It's maybe less noticeable than on Reddit, but on the other hand HN attracts certain kinds of people so there's already a degree of self selection. Imagine if the population of the world voted for equality for all, but also death to the Jews. Those votes represent the average opinion (AKA the hive mind). That hive mind would be hypocritical even though it is made up of individuals.
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- tenpies 4y agoI do find it that Instagram, basically a gateway to Onlyfans, is doing this. How will we react in 10 years when we "discover" that Onlyfans' verification system can be duped with fake documents?
- tennisflyi 4y agoIt's already been done.
- technobabble 4y agoIf anyone had the time I highly recommend the podcast “The Last Days of August”by Jon Ronson. It chronicles the suicide of a pornstar in conjunction with the rise of mindgeek.
- terrycody 4y agoPornhub is already a dead place since they removed those videos after lawsuit, what a pity, there were a ton of gems there, so I guess, its gone forever, no one saved those for preservation purpose.
- eurasiantiger 4y agoTime for PornHub to grow up and become a social media :)