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I think a lot of people in the comments don't understand what Kiwifarms is. I say this as someone who occasionally browses there and gets some (admittedly sick

I think a lot of people in the comments don't understand what Kiwifarms is. I say this as someone who occasionally browses there and gets some (admittedly sick) enjoyment from it: the main draw of the website is a place for people to get together and bully mentally ill "weirdos". It's not just about people posting offensive shit in their own little corner of the internet - what happens there spreads out, by design, into the mainstream web and real life too. While I'll personally miss watching people do fucked up shit for internet clout, this is a wise and fair decision by Cloudflare, and there's a good chance they may have saved Keffals' life.

yomkippur 4y ago
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  >can't believe you would use your business email to write this AussieWog93 Why? Schadenfreude is a normal human emotion.
  - yomkippur 4y ago
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dillondoyle 4y ago
What specifically makes their victims 'weirdos' and why do you feel the need to comment that you get off to 'watching people do fucked up shit for internet clout' That's exactly what you are doing right now. They target trans women like Lizzy Waite and Clara Sorrenti. And gay children... What is so weird about kids who need support from the Trevor Project hotline? Being queer is not a mental illness.
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  >What specifically makes their victims 'weirdos' The site was set up to target Chris Chan in particular, but later shifted to "lolcows" in general - ie people that continue to give the bullies the bizarre reactions that they're looking for. They don't exclusively target trans people, nor do they even go to trans spaces looking for people to insult. After all, the average trans person would just block them and move on with their life and that makes for a boring thread. >why do you feel the need to comment that you get off to 'watching people do fucked up shit for internet clout' Because I'm on HN, and it's more important here to show that you know what you're talking about rather than show that you're a good, law-abiding citizen. If you seriously can't understand why people enjoy looking at trainwrecks, you need to speak to more people. >They target trans women like Lizzy Waite and Clara Sorrenti. I don't know the Lizzy Waite saga, but Clara Sorrenti specifically had that whole Catboy Ranch thing going on, plus the constant drama with other streamers and just a general behavioural pattern of always feeding the trolls. >What is so weird about kids who need support from the Trevor Project hotline? Yep, that shouldn't have happened. (But then again, neither should anything else on this site...) >Being queer is not a mental illness. Yes?
  - jolux 4y ago
    > nor do they even go to trans spaces looking for people to insult. After all, the average trans person would just block them and move on with their life and that makes for a boring thread. for what it's worth I have friends that have been harassed via this site and this is not the case. they don't stop if you block them. they keep finding ways around it and they make your life hell.
    - dillondoyle 4y ago
      Not just online too. I think that's missed on a lot of these threads. One of the more chilling is that after chasing someone out of their own home and into hiding, they tracked them down and someone posted a photo standing outside of their hotel. Not so much reddit a AMA verification, more like a hostage situation.
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kilroy123 4y ago
I've never even heard of Kiwifarms until now. Judging by your comment I can see why. Sadly, I think this will be a "Streisand effect" moment and will likely draw more attention to this site.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  The admin already admitted that he would make a torrent of the site while considering his giving up scenario - public pressure on providers to drop their service does make continued access and community harder and less organized
systemvoltage 4y ago
Is it like libsoftiktok?
- fortuna86 4y ago
  Yes but somehow worse.
- deleted 4y ago
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betwixthewires 4y ago
I'm not familiar with kiwi farms besides hearing the noise about them periodically and second hand accounts of them doing this or that, but I'll be candid here, how I feel about it really depends on what they mean by "weirdos." If they're just harassing trans people or whatever I can understand the outrage. If they're exposing child predators on discord (I've heard this said in this thread, don't know if it's true or not) I wouldn't say I'm unsympathetic.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  KF doxxes children, including as young as 5 on record: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbSKeL_WAAAsYwY?format=png https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbSKeL_WAAAsYwY?format=png (just one coverage of this, there is plenty to find)
  - betwixthewires 4y ago
    This is what you have? A clearly very angry man with a default judgment against a single anonymous someone on the internet threatening to have him involuntarily committed for life in retaliation for what exactly? A family photo posted online of someone counts as child abuse? Note that the author of your link didn't link to the thread. So "on record" is a bit of a stretch to say the least. I've got to admit, it is a bit unsavory if it is true, and I think the author is probably not making it up, but it's not quite as scary as it's being made out to be IMO, and I've still seen no actual proof of the accusation, whether I believe it or not is irrelevant.
  - andywood 4y ago
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- pbiggar 4y ago
  > child predators What's happened here is that they (and you'll see this has happened across a lot of the extreme right in America) have started to label trans people as "pedo" or "groomers", in an effort to make it seem like trans people are really child predators, which makes many people more tolerant of their attacks and more sympathetic of anti-trans policies such as bathroom bills.
matkoniecz 4y ago
I know what Kiwifarms is - but > The policy we articulated last Wednesday remains our policy seems clearly untrue. They changed mind and decided to proactively ban bad website (and yes, it was actually bad website). Nevertheless it was censorship and immediate destruction of their earlier promise.
yes_really 4y ago
> It's not just about people posting offensive shit in their own little corner of the internet - what happens there spreads out, by design, into the mainstream web and real life too. During the Black Lives Matter riots, we had a full summer of looting, destruction, violence and riots. The BLM ideas also "spread out, by design, into the mainstream web and real life too". And they resulted in violence in a scale much, much larger than Kiwifarms. Should DDoS-protecting companies have banned the BLM websites?
- 0dayz 4y ago
  Your example makes no sense, BLM does not directly or indirectly endorse nor is affiliated with groups that endorse rioting in fact you had people in BLM telling people not to riot. Kiwifarms on the other hand do indirectly endorse harassment, swatting and doxxing. In fact you do have people on that forum working day and night to dox people of interest. A much better example would be: Reddit, with it indirectly supporting radical left wing causes, because they haven't been as active banning those hateful communities.
- TomSwirly 4y ago
  Clearly you don't understand the difference to "people responding to a serious and systematic injustice" and "people trying to harass others until they commit suicide." Consider developing some sort of moral or ethical sense. Oh, and there is no official "Black Lives Matter" site. Someone registered one after the fact, but they have no official standing or really do much of anything.
  - strangeattractr 4y ago
    Looting and burning down the family owned corner store was an amazing moment of restorative justice. We need to fight back against the 'systematic injustice' that uninsured small businesses have wrought onto marginalised communities. If you don't support looting, murder and arson then you lack a moral compass.
GrumpyNl 4y ago
Disconnect the user, not the platform.
- 0dayz 4y ago
  And how exactly do you determine who the user is that has committed the crime without the cooperation of the admins?
  - GrumpyNl 4y ago
    For a network provider that's not so difficult.
concordDance 4y ago
> there's a good chance they may have saved Keffals' life. Last I looked kiwifarms was still available on the url listed on their wiki page (not to mention posts viewable via the internet archive). Does this mean Keffals is going to die? I'll bet £100 of mine to $1 of yours she isn't killed by anyone this with a kiwifarm association in the next year. Also, you have a very poor understanding of the frequency of internet shitposting if you're taking a random bomb threat on the internet seriously, those things happen thousands of times a day qnd amount to nothing 99.9999% of the time.

yomkippur 4y ago

AussieWog93 4y ago
>can't believe you would use your business email to write this AussieWog93 Why? Schadenfreude is a normal human emotion.
- yomkippur 4y ago

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dillondoyle 4y ago

What specifically makes their victims 'weirdos' and why do you feel the need to comment that you get off to 'watching people do fucked up shit for internet clout' That's exactly what you are doing right now. They target trans women like Lizzy Waite and Clara Sorrenti. And gay children... What is so weird about kids who need support from the Trevor Project hotline? Being queer is not a mental illness.

AussieWog93 4y ago
>What specifically makes their victims 'weirdos' The site was set up to target Chris Chan in particular, but later shifted to "lolcows" in general - ie people that continue to give the bullies the bizarre reactions that they're looking for. They don't exclusively target trans people, nor do they even go to trans spaces looking for people to insult. After all, the average trans person would just block them and move on with their life and that makes for a boring thread. >why do you feel the need to comment that you get off to 'watching people do fucked up shit for internet clout' Because I'm on HN, and it's more important here to show that you know what you're talking about rather than show that you're a good, law-abiding citizen. If you seriously can't understand why people enjoy looking at trainwrecks, you need to speak to more people. >They target trans women like Lizzy Waite and Clara Sorrenti. I don't know the Lizzy Waite saga, but Clara Sorrenti specifically had that whole Catboy Ranch thing going on, plus the constant drama with other streamers and just a general behavioural pattern of always feeding the trolls. >What is so weird about kids who need support from the Trevor Project hotline? Yep, that shouldn't have happened. (But then again, neither should anything else on this site...) >Being queer is not a mental illness. Yes?
- jolux 4y ago
  > nor do they even go to trans spaces looking for people to insult. After all, the average trans person would just block them and move on with their life and that makes for a boring thread. for what it's worth I have friends that have been harassed via this site and this is not the case. they don't stop if you block them. they keep finding ways around it and they make your life hell.
  - dillondoyle 4y ago
    Not just online too. I think that's missed on a lot of these threads. One of the more chilling is that after chasing someone out of their own home and into hiding, they tracked them down and someone posted a photo standing outside of their hotel. Not so much reddit a AMA verification, more like a hostage situation.
4y ago

kilroy123 4y ago

I've never even heard of Kiwifarms until now. Judging by your comment I can see why. Sadly, I think this will be a "Streisand effect" moment and will likely draw more attention to this site.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
The admin already admitted that he would make a torrent of the site while considering his giving up scenario - public pressure on providers to drop their service does make continued access and community harder and less organized

systemvoltage 4y ago

Is it like libsoftiktok?

fortuna86 4y ago
Yes but somehow worse.
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betwixthewires 4y ago

I'm not familiar with kiwi farms besides hearing the noise about them periodically and second hand accounts of them doing this or that, but I'll be candid here, how I feel about it really depends on what they mean by "weirdos." If they're just harassing trans people or whatever I can understand the outrage. If they're exposing child predators on discord (I've heard this said in this thread, don't know if it's true or not) I wouldn't say I'm unsympathetic.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
KF doxxes children, including as young as 5 on record: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbSKeL_WAAAsYwY?format=png https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbSKeL_WAAAsYwY?format=png (just one coverage of this, there is plenty to find)
- betwixthewires 4y ago
  This is what you have? A clearly very angry man with a default judgment against a single anonymous someone on the internet threatening to have him involuntarily committed for life in retaliation for what exactly? A family photo posted online of someone counts as child abuse? Note that the author of your link didn't link to the thread. So "on record" is a bit of a stretch to say the least. I've got to admit, it is a bit unsavory if it is true, and I think the author is probably not making it up, but it's not quite as scary as it's being made out to be IMO, and I've still seen no actual proof of the accusation, whether I believe it or not is irrelevant.
- andywood 4y ago
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pbiggar 4y ago
> child predators What's happened here is that they (and you'll see this has happened across a lot of the extreme right in America) have started to label trans people as "pedo" or "groomers", in an effort to make it seem like trans people are really child predators, which makes many people more tolerant of their attacks and more sympathetic of anti-trans policies such as bathroom bills.

matkoniecz 4y ago

I know what Kiwifarms is - but > The policy we articulated last Wednesday remains our policy seems clearly untrue. They changed mind and decided to proactively ban bad website (and yes, it was actually bad website). Nevertheless it was censorship and immediate destruction of their earlier promise.

yes_really 4y ago

> It's not just about people posting offensive shit in their own little corner of the internet - what happens there spreads out, by design, into the mainstream web and real life too. During the Black Lives Matter riots, we had a full summer of looting, destruction, violence and riots. The BLM ideas also "spread out, by design, into the mainstream web and real life too". And they resulted in violence in a scale much, much larger than Kiwifarms. Should DDoS-protecting companies have banned the BLM websites?

0dayz 4y ago
Your example makes no sense, BLM does not directly or indirectly endorse nor is affiliated with groups that endorse rioting in fact you had people in BLM telling people not to riot. Kiwifarms on the other hand do indirectly endorse harassment, swatting and doxxing. In fact you do have people on that forum working day and night to dox people of interest. A much better example would be: Reddit, with it indirectly supporting radical left wing causes, because they haven't been as active banning those hateful communities.
TomSwirly 4y ago
Clearly you don't understand the difference to "people responding to a serious and systematic injustice" and "people trying to harass others until they commit suicide." Consider developing some sort of moral or ethical sense. Oh, and there is no official "Black Lives Matter" site. Someone registered one after the fact, but they have no official standing or really do much of anything.
- strangeattractr 4y ago
  Looting and burning down the family owned corner store was an amazing moment of restorative justice. We need to fight back against the 'systematic injustice' that uninsured small businesses have wrought onto marginalised communities. If you don't support looting, murder and arson then you lack a moral compass.

GrumpyNl 4y ago

Disconnect the user, not the platform.

0dayz 4y ago
And how exactly do you determine who the user is that has committed the crime without the cooperation of the admins?
- GrumpyNl 4y ago
  For a network provider that's not so difficult.

concordDance 4y ago

> there's a good chance they may have saved Keffals' life. Last I looked kiwifarms was still available on the url listed on their wiki page (not to mention posts viewable via the internet archive). Does this mean Keffals is going to die? I'll bet £100 of mine to $1 of yours she isn't killed by anyone this with a kiwifarm association in the next year. Also, you have a very poor understanding of the frequency of internet shitposting if you're taking a random bomb threat on the internet seriously, those things happen thousands of times a day qnd amount to nothing 99.9999% of the time.