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Why?

by TeeMassive 4y ago

Why?

bumbum260 4y ago
gumby 4y ago
Used for meatspace attacks on people they didn't like. It had transitioned to the "sticks and stones" stage.
- TeeMassive 4y ago
  What is your evidence for that?
  - gumby 4y ago
    For example: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/cloudflare-kiwi-farms-keffals-anti-trans-rcna44834 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/cloudflare-kiwi-farms-... https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1565797220531814406 https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/15657972205318144...
    - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
subsuboptimal 4y ago
Kiwifarms is a site that is implicated in several deaths, several swattings, and had knowingly hosted videos of, for example, the Christchurch shooting. It is a hotbed for stochastic terrorism. It should be welcome to exist online, but Cloudflare providing it protection undermines Cloudflare's own reputation.
- donkarma 4y ago
- TeeMassive 4y ago
  - atdrummond 4y ago
- ketzerei 4y ago
  Repeating lies doesn't make lies true. Yes, KF hosted videos of the Christchurch shooting, as well as many others. That's unrelated to your assertion the site, which is of many thousands of people, are "implicated in several deaths". It is not. Nor is it a participant in swattings. If there were a shred of credible evidence of those things, then you should be communicating with the FBI or any law enforcement agency you're able to engage with. I hope KF's owner sues the absolute crap out of the media outlets and any personal not hiding behind a nym for defamation, as I think this level of speech has risen to it.
- RichardCNormos 4y ago
  - terminatornet 4y ago
    well the shooter was wearing a shirt that said "kiwifarms sent me". He also left a sworn testimony at the scene of the crime that said "i'm doing this because of kiwifarms"
  - subsuboptimal 4y ago
    London Ontario police department said that Keffals was the target of swatting. Keffals was doxxed by KF, and the site has a whole long thread on her. I doubt anyone was stupid enough to type out, "let's harass her!" But if you can't connect the dots here you've got your head in the sand.
    - geraldwhen 4y ago
      - subsuboptimal 4y ago
    - ketzerei 4y ago
      > London Ontario police department said that Keffals was the target of swatting. Xcel energy in Colorado turned off people's thermostats recently. There was an article about it on KF. Are they related? > Keffals was doxxed by KF, and the site has a whole long thread on her. KF republished information he posted online. Aggregating public content isn't doxxing as it's typically defined, which is people who are actually trying to maintain privacy. >I doubt anyone was stupid enough to type out, "let's harass her!" But if you can't connect the dots here you've got your head in the sand. And yet, "anyone" would need to, to actually be implicated. I don't suppose facts, like actually interacting with any of the zoo-fauna being documented on the Farm, was incontrovertibly prohibited and would result in an instant ban? It's easy to connect "dots in your head" when there's already a conclusion you've reached.
- Helloworldboy 4y ago
- rejectfinite 4y ago
  So did liveleak. >a site that is implicated in several deaths Youtube >several swattings Twitch
- HereIGoAgain 4y ago
MBCook 4y ago
- StWallSt 4y ago
  I've heard people claim this, but I've never seen any evidence which supports it. I've read threads on the forums there, and have never seen anyone trying to get anyone else to commit suicide. In fact, interacting or even promoting interacting with people whose actions are catalogued and talked about on the site, is heavily dissuaded. Do you actually have any evidence to the contrary?
tsujamin 4y ago
cloudflare’s servers were hosting and redistributing abusive material and private information non-consensually leading to suicides? KF is still on the internet, they’re free to handle their own traffic and find a cdn willing to take their (apparently blatantly neonazi named) operating company’s money
timmytokyo 4y ago
It's a forum dedicated pretty much entirely to doxxing, swatting, stalking and harrassment. It's also where the Christchurch New Zealand mass shooter's live stream and manifesto were hosted.
- atdrummond 4y ago
- Cyberdog 4y ago
  It's obviously not the only place they was hosted, or the place they were originally posted (I think the manifesto originated from 4chan and the stream would have been Twitch or YT or some other live-streaming platform - no idea which).
- TeeMassive 4y ago
  Why do you say the forum itself is "dedicated" to those things? How "hosting" someone posted makes them responsible considering section 230 and the 1st A?
  - Barrin92 4y ago
    "It should be noted that no ethically-trained software engineer would ever consent to write a DestroyBaghdad procedure. Basic professional ethics would instead require him to write a DestroyCity procedure, to which Baghdad could be given as a parameter."
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
  Doxxing, yes. But any discussion about harassing people will get you banned.
  - subsuboptimal 4y ago
    Why doxx someone unless you are implying a threat of harassment against them?

Why?

bumbum260 4y ago

gumby 4y ago

Used for meatspace attacks on people they didn't like. It had transitioned to the "sticks and stones" stage.

TeeMassive 4y ago
What is your evidence for that?
- gumby 4y ago
  For example: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/cloudflare-kiwi-farms-keffals-anti-trans-rcna44834 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/cloudflare-kiwi-farms-... https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1565797220531814406 https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/15657972205318144...
  - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago

subsuboptimal 4y ago

Kiwifarms is a site that is implicated in several deaths, several swattings, and had knowingly hosted videos of, for example, the Christchurch shooting. It is a hotbed for stochastic terrorism. It should be welcome to exist online, but Cloudflare providing it protection undermines Cloudflare's own reputation.

donkarma 4y ago
TeeMassive 4y ago
- atdrummond 4y ago
ketzerei 4y ago
Repeating lies doesn't make lies true. Yes, KF hosted videos of the Christchurch shooting, as well as many others. That's unrelated to your assertion the site, which is of many thousands of people, are "implicated in several deaths". It is not. Nor is it a participant in swattings. If there were a shred of credible evidence of those things, then you should be communicating with the FBI or any law enforcement agency you're able to engage with. I hope KF's owner sues the absolute crap out of the media outlets and any personal not hiding behind a nym for defamation, as I think this level of speech has risen to it.
RichardCNormos 4y ago
- terminatornet 4y ago
  well the shooter was wearing a shirt that said "kiwifarms sent me". He also left a sworn testimony at the scene of the crime that said "i'm doing this because of kiwifarms"
- subsuboptimal 4y ago
  London Ontario police department said that Keffals was the target of swatting. Keffals was doxxed by KF, and the site has a whole long thread on her. I doubt anyone was stupid enough to type out, "let's harass her!" But if you can't connect the dots here you've got your head in the sand.
  - geraldwhen 4y ago
    - subsuboptimal 4y ago
  - ketzerei 4y ago
    > London Ontario police department said that Keffals was the target of swatting. Xcel energy in Colorado turned off people's thermostats recently. There was an article about it on KF. Are they related? > Keffals was doxxed by KF, and the site has a whole long thread on her. KF republished information he posted online. Aggregating public content isn't doxxing as it's typically defined, which is people who are actually trying to maintain privacy. >I doubt anyone was stupid enough to type out, "let's harass her!" But if you can't connect the dots here you've got your head in the sand. And yet, "anyone" would need to, to actually be implicated. I don't suppose facts, like actually interacting with any of the zoo-fauna being documented on the Farm, was incontrovertibly prohibited and would result in an instant ban? It's easy to connect "dots in your head" when there's already a conclusion you've reached.
Helloworldboy 4y ago
rejectfinite 4y ago
So did liveleak. >a site that is implicated in several deaths Youtube >several swattings Twitch
HereIGoAgain 4y ago

MBCook 4y ago

StWallSt 4y ago
I've heard people claim this, but I've never seen any evidence which supports it. I've read threads on the forums there, and have never seen anyone trying to get anyone else to commit suicide. In fact, interacting or even promoting interacting with people whose actions are catalogued and talked about on the site, is heavily dissuaded. Do you actually have any evidence to the contrary?

tsujamin 4y ago

cloudflare’s servers were hosting and redistributing abusive material and private information non-consensually leading to suicides? KF is still on the internet, they’re free to handle their own traffic and find a cdn willing to take their (apparently blatantly neonazi named) operating company’s money

timmytokyo 4y ago

It's a forum dedicated pretty much entirely to doxxing, swatting, stalking and harrassment. It's also where the Christchurch New Zealand mass shooter's live stream and manifesto were hosted.

atdrummond 4y ago
Cyberdog 4y ago
It's obviously not the only place they was hosted, or the place they were originally posted (I think the manifesto originated from 4chan and the stream would have been Twitch or YT or some other live-streaming platform - no idea which).
TeeMassive 4y ago
Why do you say the forum itself is "dedicated" to those things? How "hosting" someone posted makes them responsible considering section 230 and the 1st A?
- Barrin92 4y ago
  "It should be noted that no ethically-trained software engineer would ever consent to write a DestroyBaghdad procedure. Basic professional ethics would instead require him to write a DestroyCity procedure, to which Baghdad could be given as a parameter."
ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
Doxxing, yes. But any discussion about harassing people will get you banned.
- subsuboptimal 4y ago
  Why doxx someone unless you are implying a threat of harassment against them?