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Feels like there's a big race to be the all-in-one everything tool for everything. It's Gitlabs whole schtick, GitHub is moving in that direction, now "also Jet

Feels like there's a big race to be the all-in-one everything tool for everything. It's Gitlabs whole schtick, GitHub is moving in that direction, now "also Jetbrains". IMO I think something like Jetbrains should be leaning into integration, not all-in-one. Connective tissue last longer than walled garden.

delusional 4y ago
There's no money in integration. It's very easy to get approval for some big shiny tool with a frontend and 19 different features. It's very difficult to get corporate approval for a tiny integration thing that makes 5 of those features work with some others in a different tool. "Can't you just type it in manually?"
- dijit 4y ago
  Is that true? A large part of the value add of Asana is that it integrates with everything. They’re probably the most expensive issue tracking tool (many times the amount we’d pay for Jira), but it’s extremely worthwhile for us so we pay it.
  - 41b696ef1113 4y ago
    The pain of getting finance to approve recurring charges is quite real.
pjmlp 4y ago
The race is to go back into the timesharing development workflows, under the guise of cloud development. Instead of telnet, ssh and X display, we get to use the browser.
- still_grokking 4y ago
  Sure. The cloud is the new mainframe. Mainframes were ever since the best option to milk locked-in customers, so the story continues. The tech is different, the strategy the same: Be the all emphasizing platform so nobody can leave without needing to rebuild substantial parts of their business form the ground up. Replacing the mainframe after been invested in it constitutes for many a mayor headache to this day. So one can conclude that the said strategy works well since decades. But that's no news, is it?
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Apparently it is, for those that haven't had the pleasure to work during those days, which I might add was still quite common around 2005 (when I moved away from HP-UX to Red-Hat Linux at Nokia).
zoomzoom 4y ago
IMO it’s also about choosing the right things to integrate vs. build. I agree that with Space in particular, the choice of what they integrate vs. build does not make sense for maximizing developer experience and value. At Coherence (withcoherence.com // I’m a cofounder) we are also building a more integrated set of tools for building software, but we don’t feel that GitHub and Slack or JIRA/Asana/linear are the tools to bite off, or that the world needs yet another CI syntax and hosting platform. Those are all great places to choose integration with existing popular tools. We do agree with the Space product thesis in that the Cloud IDE is a central piece of the next generation platform - we just think that tying it deeply to the deployment and cloud infrastructure workflows provides the most developer value. Of course, we’re huge fans of JetBrains products, and them and the other companies mentioned above have so much credibility and such vast resources that they are going to deliver widely-used and powerful products. We hope to integrate with them where it makes sense! If you are curious to learn about about Coherence, please check out our free beta at the link above or feel free to reach out to hn@withcoherence.com… We appreciate any and all feedback from the HN community.

delusional 4y ago

There's no money in integration. It's very easy to get approval for some big shiny tool with a frontend and 19 different features. It's very difficult to get corporate approval for a tiny integration thing that makes 5 of those features work with some others in a different tool. "Can't you just type it in manually?"

dijit 4y ago
Is that true? A large part of the value add of Asana is that it integrates with everything. They’re probably the most expensive issue tracking tool (many times the amount we’d pay for Jira), but it’s extremely worthwhile for us so we pay it.
- 41b696ef1113 4y ago
  The pain of getting finance to approve recurring charges is quite real.

pjmlp 4y ago

The race is to go back into the timesharing development workflows, under the guise of cloud development. Instead of telnet, ssh and X display, we get to use the browser.

still_grokking 4y ago
Sure. The cloud is the new mainframe. Mainframes were ever since the best option to milk locked-in customers, so the story continues. The tech is different, the strategy the same: Be the all emphasizing platform so nobody can leave without needing to rebuild substantial parts of their business form the ground up. Replacing the mainframe after been invested in it constitutes for many a mayor headache to this day. So one can conclude that the said strategy works well since decades. But that's no news, is it?
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Apparently it is, for those that haven't had the pleasure to work during those days, which I might add was still quite common around 2005 (when I moved away from HP-UX to Red-Hat Linux at Nokia).

zoomzoom 4y ago

IMO it’s also about choosing the right things to integrate vs. build. I agree that with Space in particular, the choice of what they integrate vs. build does not make sense for maximizing developer experience and value. At Coherence (withcoherence.com // I’m a cofounder) we are also building a more integrated set of tools for building software, but we don’t feel that GitHub and Slack or JIRA/Asana/linear are the tools to bite off, or that the world needs yet another CI syntax and hosting platform. Those are all great places to choose integration with existing popular tools. We do agree with the Space product thesis in that the Cloud IDE is a central piece of the next generation platform - we just think that tying it deeply to the deployment and cloud infrastructure workflows provides the most developer value. Of course, we’re huge fans of JetBrains products, and them and the other companies mentioned above have so much credibility and such vast resources that they are going to deliver widely-used and powerful products. We hope to integrate with them where it makes sense! If you are curious to learn about about Coherence, please check out our free beta at the link above or feel free to reach out to hn@withcoherence.com… We appreciate any and all feedback from the HN community.