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This is not accurate at all. I've found people who pay these rates are better to work with and demand less. You know that trope all startup people say "raise y

This is not accurate at all. I've found people who pay these rates are better to work with and demand less. You know that trope all startup people say "raise your prices and get rid of the low value high cost customers" Same thing.

shoulderfake 4y ago
amelius 4y ago
Now I'm very curious how you find clients and what software stacks you work with.
- joshmanders 4y ago
  I've replied below on various other comments asking similar, but for easier use, I'll repeat here: > how you find clients Word of mouth & referrals from existing clients > what software stacks you work with Next.js React-Query Prisma Tailwind CSS Kubernetes PostgreSQL Caddy
rossnordby 4y ago
Having done a little work across the spectrum, this is definitely correct. Years ago, I targeted the cheaper end, and the amount of work expected was absurd. The nonmonetary terms of the deals were often even worse; think business destroying levels of exploitation. (I declined those!) In contrast, I've quoted hundreds of dollars an hour while explaining that I didn't think I would offer enough value to actually justify that price in context and encouraged alternatives- and got the job immediately. And the project went very smoothly. In another recent case, I requested tens of thousands of dollars for some project-relevant expenditures, and received a deposit without a single question. Organizations that are willing to spend money tend to be the ones that understand what they're buying and how to value it.
- justinlloyd 4y ago
  I gave up on the cheaper end long ago - too many trials by fire. Raising my rates was the best thing I did for my own sanity. I still run into an odd client here and there that makes my life Hell on Earth for a while. I also stopped giving discounts. And on the advice of good friend who runs a sizable creative agency in Los Angeles, came up with a "fuck off" rate for when I really don't want the work. Right now, I don't charge a sky-high rate, but I've started applying "9am to 6pm, no on-call, no toxicity, no arseholes, no high pressure to deliver at all costs." I am so over client-induced PTSD & anxiety disorders.
jollybean 4y ago
Yes and no. Big Cos pay high rates often with less aggressive demands, however, the quote above is 'build a business from start to finish' which is something else entirely.

shoulderfake 4y ago

amelius 4y ago

Now I'm very curious how you find clients and what software stacks you work with.

joshmanders 4y ago
I've replied below on various other comments asking similar, but for easier use, I'll repeat here: > how you find clients Word of mouth & referrals from existing clients > what software stacks you work with Next.js React-Query Prisma Tailwind CSS Kubernetes PostgreSQL Caddy

rossnordby 4y ago

Having done a little work across the spectrum, this is definitely correct. Years ago, I targeted the cheaper end, and the amount of work expected was absurd. The nonmonetary terms of the deals were often even worse; think business destroying levels of exploitation. (I declined those!) In contrast, I've quoted hundreds of dollars an hour while explaining that I didn't think I would offer enough value to actually justify that price in context and encouraged alternatives- and got the job immediately. And the project went very smoothly. In another recent case, I requested tens of thousands of dollars for some project-relevant expenditures, and received a deposit without a single question. Organizations that are willing to spend money tend to be the ones that understand what they're buying and how to value it.

justinlloyd 4y ago
I gave up on the cheaper end long ago - too many trials by fire. Raising my rates was the best thing I did for my own sanity. I still run into an odd client here and there that makes my life Hell on Earth for a while. I also stopped giving discounts. And on the advice of good friend who runs a sizable creative agency in Los Angeles, came up with a "fuck off" rate for when I really don't want the work. Right now, I don't charge a sky-high rate, but I've started applying "9am to 6pm, no on-call, no toxicity, no arseholes, no high pressure to deliver at all costs." I am so over client-induced PTSD & anxiety disorders.

jollybean 4y ago

Yes and no. Big Cos pay high rates often with less aggressive demands, however, the quote above is 'build a business from start to finish' which is something else entirely.