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I made a site for 100% location independent jobs
- paxys 4y agoDo you verify if these jobs are truly location independent? In my experience all such companies really mean "anywhere" as long as it is in a handful of approved countries and time zones, and the rest will get a "sorry we can't hire in this jurisdiction because of compliance/HR/tax issues".
- saasxyz 4y agoThese postings come from various sources where they provide their location as worldwide. Some jobs explicitly say they are bound to a list of specific locations while others say worldwide. I only curate worldwide jobs.
- lagrange77 4y agoHow would you approximate the ratio of jobs posts you scrape to those entered by your 'post a job' feature? EDIT: Thought about it and i guess it's 100% scraped for now..
- saasxyz 4y ago> EDIT: Thought about it and i guess it's 100% scraped for now.. That's right. I introduced 'post a job' feature only today.
- sokoloff 4y agoNo one is (legally) hiring truly location independent.
- em-bee 4y agolegal limits only apply to hiring in countries where the company has a legal presence. in those places there is a possible limitation on legally hiring fulltime contractors as they may be classified as employees. everywhere else there is no legal limit to hiring contractors, simply because it doesn't make sense for any country to prevent its citizens from selling their services to a foreign company, nor has the country any legal ability to force that company into establishing a local presence.
- sokoloff 4y agoAny US entity has restrictions from contracting with entities in some embargoed countries. https://ofaclawyer.net/prohibited-transactions/ https://ofaclawyer.net/prohibited-transactions/ is for the US, but I think most countries have something similar.
- em-bee 4y agoyes, but these are a few exceptions and they apply to most countries worldwide. using that as an argument that a truly location independent job is not possible feels a bit pedantic, when the parent comment is about companies that artificially limit their remote hiring to a few specific countries for no discernible reason.
- dewey 4y agoIs there any difference to https://remoteok.com/?location=Worldwide https://remoteok.com/?location=Worldwide?
- saasxyz 4y agoThat's also one source and accounts for 5% of postings available on my site. So, in a way it makes a difference.
- taigeair 4y agoneat site, how do you plan to get traffic to it?
- etothepii 4y agoBy making the front page of HN.
- etothepii 4y agoI don't think there is any chance gitlab will let you work from DPRK
- shagie 4y agoGitlab's list of where they have professional employment operations is https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-group/employment-solutions/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/people-group/employment-so... - along with the "who they work with." It is a much shorter list than "anywhere" and many of those employers of record will have their own constraints on if you can work in another country while using them as a service. For example, if you're working out of Brazil, then the hiring partner is Remote.com but then if one heads over to Chile, then its Global Upside. If its Spain, then its Remote.com again, but its questionable if you could head over to Portugal to work. The "work anywhere" becomes complicated once a company is on the hook for taxes and work visas.
- flog 4y agoThe first job I looked at stated they were hiring "anywhere across the US", so this doesn't look like a very well curated list.
- saasxyz 4y agoPlease post a link too so that I can take a look and others can trust your claim as well. Some mistakes happen. I am trying my best to eradicate such postings.
- yreg 4y ago>In compliance with federal law, all persons hired will be required to verify identity and eligibility to work in the United States and to complete the required employment eligibility verification document form upon hire. https://www.realworkfromanywhere.com/9281024581 https://www.realworkfromanywhere.com/9281024581
- saasxyz 4y agoI am not expert in laws but what I understand here is that job position allows employees to work from anywhere but those employees need a work permission in US. In other words, this worldwide position is open only for US citizens. I may be wrong.
- yreg 4y agoFair enough, then I (slightly) misunderstood what your site is about.
- ItsTooMuch 4y agoThere's no need to have US work permission if you're not on the US soil.
- em-bee 4y agothe company may not want to hire a contractor but only have regular employees that just happen to be living outside of the country.
- anyfactor 4y agoI would love to hear your honest opinion OP. How do you plan to source the jobs? How do you plan to attract job seekers to your site? Remote job boards represents the majority of the spam emails I got since I started posting on Whoishiring. The irony is that, that is a job thread itself and people think that the people posting there are "leads" to their job sites. At first I even posted on a couple, but I got sick of being treated like a beta user with job zero proposals. Job boards is hard to grow just like social media sites. I would love to hear your plan. In the world of tech projects the rule of success is being lucky, be first, be lucky or offer something different. When an aggregration-type pops up for an industry, it is darn freaking hard to grow a new business there. And there are dozens of job aggregrator sites that sit on top other sites. And all has filter by location. I am not dismissing you at all, I am geniunely curious. I hope you take no offense.
- tpmx 4y agoClick on apply on any of those job listings, get redirected to some other site. This is just a basic SEO/referral play. Flag the shit out of this, IMO.
- jdthedisciple 4y agoNice site! If I could request a feature, it would be the ability to filter by country, job and perhaps time model.
- affgrff2 4y agoBtw: Is there a way to legally employ or be imploded in a 100% location independent way? I mean, technically I can dream up some crypto stuff to do so. But do you think it is possible to make it possible with regard to taxes, health insurance etc.?
- bitL 4y agoFor US-based jobs one could work on W-8BEN form as a contractor from abroad responsible for their own taxes, health insurance etc. Of course that requires a freelancer/business entity at the place of residence/tax domicile.
- edgefield 4y agoI’m not an expert but my understanding is that the answer is “No.” For a company to employ someone legally in a country on a salary basis, the company and employee need to follow local tax and employment law. As you can imagine, these vary significantly from country to country. The only way around this to my knowledge is if the company sets up a legal operation in the country or hires via a third party “professional employment organization” (PEO). The company contracts with the PEO and the PEO hires the individual. The primary function of the PEO is to follows all of the local tax and employment laws. From my experience, PEOs increase employment cost by ~50% or more.
- dewey 4y agoUsually in cases like that where the company doesn't have a local entity you will be employed through a EoR (Employer of Record) like Remote, Deel and many others. Then you are not directly employed at the company but employed through another company which then grants you the benefits for the local country that were negotiated. The other alternative is a regular freelancer / contractor relationship.
- orangepurple 4y agoEvery country on earth demands some form of payroll tax, social security tax, unemployment insurance in the form of self-employment tax, or a combination of the above. It is dependent on your "tax residence" which is a very complex topic you should research because governments WILL go after you for that cash.
- SeriousM 4y ago"100% remote work environment - work from anywhere in the US" is not worldwide...
- saasxyz 4y agoyeah, that's why I built this to give a space for real work from anywhere jobs.
- bambax 4y ago> The Axios Smart Brevity Studio team is looking for talented freelancers to create content on behalf of Axios clients at the local level. Individuals will write copy and capture lifestyle imagery and videos (primarily on smartphones) for use on Axios Local’s social media, websites and newsletters. > Ideal candidates will embody an entrepreneurial spirit, a passion for Axios Local’s mission and have the following skills: (...) Must be able to secure transportation to shoots. Take note: Assignments may fall during the workweek as well as on weekends. This doesn't sound very "remote". It also does not sound like a real job.
- cholantesh 4y agoIt sounds like a lot of the 'jobs' that 'digital nomads' claim to be working at when I meet them. I agree that it doesn't sound real.
- sintezcs 4y agoI’ve been looking for a new remote job recently, and I’ve heard the following from a couple of companies: “We are a truly remote company - you can work from anywhere in the world! (Except Russia and Belarus)”. Just curious, does the companies from your list allow remote work from these countries?
- orangepurple 4y agoCourtesy of OFAC, these places are generally off limits: Belarus, Burma, as well as Cote D’Ivoire (Ivory Coast), Cuba, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Iraq, Liberia, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, and Zimbabwe You can't touch these people or companies either no matter what: https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/consolidated/consolidated.xml https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/consolidated/consoli... The amount of stuff you are prohibited from doing business with is huge: https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/office-of-foreign-assets-control-sanctions-programs-and-information https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/office-of-foreign-as...
- robin_reala 4y agoThat’s only for US companies though.
- orangepurple 4y agoNope. If you violate OFAC as a foreigner you are shit-listed by the US government. You become radioactive and anybody with even the most remote ties to the United States can't do business with you safely. The US government can find a random rule from their massive trove to use to throw the book at you at that point. You're in their crosshairs both literally and figuratively since there is a decades long precedent of US extrajudicial killings of even its own citizens. They will go to immense lengths to shut you down if they hate you enough. The extradition of Kim Dotcom has been going on for a decade and they tried to put him in prison for life because he once had a server in the United States. That's the entire legal basis for the extradition. If they fail he is bankrupted, if they succeed he will be in an American prison until he dies. OFAC violations can have numerous painful impacts on a foreign company’s business beyond mere payment of fines, including triggering red flags during due diligence by prospective partners, investors, acquirors, and financiers, putting companies in breach of contractual obligations to their banks, creating a disadvantage or disqualification in bidding for contracts, and attracting additional scrutiny from the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) when attempting to acquire or invest in U.S. businesses. From: https://www.wiggin.com/publication/the-aggressive-extraterritorial-reach-of-u-s-economic-sanctions-foreign-company-exposure-to-ofac-enforcement/ https://www.wiggin.com/publication/the-aggressive-extraterri... US government overreach is hard to overstate. If things get bad enough the FBI/CIA will attempt to abduct you (Viktor Bout, Assange, Snowden) or suicide you in a foreign prison (John McAfee). Most likely nobody will learn about your story after your unfortunate "suicide."
- BazookaMusic 4y agoThe quality of the posted jobs is a bit questionable. Still laughing from this: www.realworkfromanywhere.com/7369835152
- bobwaycott 4y agoThat’s hilarious.
- BrandoElFollito 4y agoThere is an empty bullet point in the "what you get" section. It requires psychic abilities to uncover this hidden goodie.
- peter422 4y agoSo the plan here was to scrape the job listings off another site (freshremote.work), pretend those people posted on your site, make a show HN and then hope someone is tricked into thinking this site actually gets traffic and pays you $49? I understand what you are doing but how is this providing any value? Wouldn’t people just be better off going to the site you are scraping from?
- paxys 4y agoI'd wager "freshremote.work" is doing exactly the same thing. This is why 90% of job boards on the internet are useless. Just stick to reputed ones (Indeed, LinkedIn) or go directly to the company's careers site.
- kyriakos 4y agoSeen sites that scrape HN who's hiring
- cercatrova 4y agoThat is in fact how every job board gains traction. I've seen it happen multiple times.
- piinecone 4y agoHopefully the fact that we're not doing this for our developer job matching site is not its death knell. We're building up developer preferences first, and then we can ask employers to create job descriptions and potentially match with developers. Scraping, in our case, wouldn't work anyway because most job advertisements don't have the information we require. (For the curious, my friend and I are making https://polyfill.work https://polyfill.work. Developers say what they want -- pay, schedule, etc. -- and polyfill introduces employers and developers when they want the same things)
- dvtrn 4y agoWelcome to Job boards. It’s not really a secret that this is how many, many, many of them work.
- abinaya_rl 4y agoPerfect, I'm wondering how are you sourcing the jobs. Do you source the jobs manually or automatically? I'm working on the Remote Jobs API service[1] for the job board developers. Each and every job is manually vetted and carefully curated from 40+ sources. If you think it will be useful, let me know. Happy to set up an account for you. [1] - https://remoteleaf.com/remote-jobs-api https://remoteleaf.com/remote-jobs-api (Founder here)
- quest88 4y agoWhat's the difference between this and the pre-pandemic remoteok.io?
- Minor49er 4y agoThe Apply button doesn't work for me on any of the job listings I've tried. I'm on Firefox for Android
- saasxyz 4y agoJust tried on firefox for android and it is working for me. Can you try again or from any other browser?
- Jonovono 4y agoI was thinking of making a site like this for the opposite ;p. "we work in person". Tired of this scam of remote working. (I understand it works well for some people and companies)
- piinecone 4y agoI think you should probably do that -- niche job boards seem to do well, (or, at least, I've convinced myself that that is the case). I should also mention you can do this with the developer job matching tool my friend and I are making: https://polyfill.work https://polyfill.work If you hit "onsite" as a developer or employer you'll only be matched with in-person employers/developers. It's very much a work in progress at the moment.
- polishdude20 4y agoWe use a company called "Deel" as an intermediary third party that has locations in many countries. These types of companies act as your "employer" in the sense that they pay you and you're legally their employee. I wonder if there's an opportunity for these third party companies like Deel to put up a job board for remote work positions? This would mesh well with their product as they can say "hey we can help find you qualified candidates and we will deal with the legalities of it"
- rognjen 4y agoOne thing all these remote job boards are missing as far as I could tell when I was checking them is a timezone filter. Many jobs are "fully remote" but within a specific timezone or +- an hour.