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Counter-argument. Why are the G7 not increasing the aid to Ukraine, to more quickly end the war and force Russia to settle?

323 4y ago
Because G7 is afraid of Russia splintering into 10 nuclear republics. This is well covered by various analysts. So G7 wants a soft "landing".
ShivShankaran 4y ago
Exactly.. Why not amp up the war against the super power with most nukes in the world. I wonder what would happen if the real civilized world started aiding freedom fighters against UK in Iraq, Syria and Libya? Russia will probably start doing that
- sofixa 4y ago
  This false equivalency is honestly revolting. Anyways, Putin is, hopefully, not mad enough to step into nuclear territory. We'll see how he fares when he's cornered in (when Ukraine's counteroffensives get too serious to hide from the Russian public and he has to mobilise to hope to win, or back down.
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- dmytrish 4y ago
  Do I understand correctly that what you propose is making this derailed "super"power richer and more connected to the countries it's been trying to subvert for fifteen years?
Mountain_Skies 4y ago
The G7, NATO and others have showered Ukraine with more money than it will ever be able to spend on military assets (which they are also being showered with). Ukraine needs experienced solders and expertise in the conflict zone. NATO, G7, etc. are unwilling to make that escalation so they'll keep on throwing more money and resources into a black hole to appear to be doing something when they're not willing to do the one thing that must be done if they want Ukraine to prevail. The only question is how long will the people of the nations supporting Ukraine continue to let this go on? Unless those supporting Ukraine do so with their own bodies, the end result of the conflict is guaranteed, all we're doing now is prolonging the pain.
MrRiddle 4y ago
They are trying to quickly end the war, it’s Russia who’s prolonging it on purpose. Russia attacked with 1 against 4 in manpower, and is completely fine with the war lasting for a long time. We now see how western powers are forcing Ukraine to do devastating counter offensives that will lead to quicker defeat. And even then I think Russia will take its time. We’re approaching a 10 year long business cycle where cheap energy is everything, and Russian’s know that. There is no way out without huge money printing to replace Russian energy, all the while we finished biggest money printing cycle in our lifetimes. Russia waited since 2014 and chose a best time. Europe will fold sooner or later.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  You make it sound like this is going how Putin wanted it to, and that this is calculated and cunning.
  - MrRiddle 4y ago
    If he didn’t want to prolong the war, why he sent only a fraction of his army? Why they’re attacking only southern and eastern parts and not from Belorus? Looking at last 2 decades you think Putin is incompetent? You can say many things about him but that’s the last fucking thing on the list.
    - orwin 4y ago
      He lost half of his Spetnaz regiments during the first week, and 80 to 90% of the para (that means close to half are dead or incapacitated). It would be like France loosing half its marsouins and chasseurs alpins, and 80% of the legion in a week. A disaster. And the worse is that Ukrainian migs are still flying over occupied territory. That's unforgivable. It's the proof that the fox3 capabilities they were boasting about are in fact shit. Now they lost Thales for their optics and avionics, so that might be an explanation on why their engagement range for air to air combat seems limited, but this is a bad look.
      - 4y ago

323 4y ago

Because G7 is afraid of Russia splintering into 10 nuclear republics. This is well covered by various analysts. So G7 wants a soft "landing".

ShivShankaran 4y ago

Exactly.. Why not amp up the war against the super power with most nukes in the world. I wonder what would happen if the real civilized world started aiding freedom fighters against UK in Iraq, Syria and Libya? Russia will probably start doing that

sofixa 4y ago
This false equivalency is honestly revolting. Anyways, Putin is, hopefully, not mad enough to step into nuclear territory. We'll see how he fares when he's cornered in (when Ukraine's counteroffensives get too serious to hide from the Russian public and he has to mobilise to hope to win, or back down.
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dmytrish 4y ago
Do I understand correctly that what you propose is making this derailed "super"power richer and more connected to the countries it's been trying to subvert for fifteen years?

Mountain_Skies 4y ago

The G7, NATO and others have showered Ukraine with more money than it will ever be able to spend on military assets (which they are also being showered with). Ukraine needs experienced solders and expertise in the conflict zone. NATO, G7, etc. are unwilling to make that escalation so they'll keep on throwing more money and resources into a black hole to appear to be doing something when they're not willing to do the one thing that must be done if they want Ukraine to prevail. The only question is how long will the people of the nations supporting Ukraine continue to let this go on? Unless those supporting Ukraine do so with their own bodies, the end result of the conflict is guaranteed, all we're doing now is prolonging the pain.

MrRiddle 4y ago

They are trying to quickly end the war, it’s Russia who’s prolonging it on purpose. Russia attacked with 1 against 4 in manpower, and is completely fine with the war lasting for a long time. We now see how western powers are forcing Ukraine to do devastating counter offensives that will lead to quicker defeat. And even then I think Russia will take its time. We’re approaching a 10 year long business cycle where cheap energy is everything, and Russian’s know that. There is no way out without huge money printing to replace Russian energy, all the while we finished biggest money printing cycle in our lifetimes. Russia waited since 2014 and chose a best time. Europe will fold sooner or later.

lostlogin 4y ago
You make it sound like this is going how Putin wanted it to, and that this is calculated and cunning.
- MrRiddle 4y ago
  If he didn’t want to prolong the war, why he sent only a fraction of his army? Why they’re attacking only southern and eastern parts and not from Belorus? Looking at last 2 decades you think Putin is incompetent? You can say many things about him but that’s the last fucking thing on the list.
  - orwin 4y ago
    He lost half of his Spetnaz regiments during the first week, and 80 to 90% of the para (that means close to half are dead or incapacitated). It would be like France loosing half its marsouins and chasseurs alpins, and 80% of the legion in a week. A disaster. And the worse is that Ukrainian migs are still flying over occupied territory. That's unforgivable. It's the proof that the fox3 capabilities they were boasting about are in fact shit. Now they lost Thales for their optics and avionics, so that might be an explanation on why their engagement range for air to air combat seems limited, but this is a bad look.
    - 4y ago