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Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent? Young people know the future is not bright, and I encoura

Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent? Young people know the future is not bright, and I encourage them to enjoy their lives while they still can.

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spaetzleesser 4y ago
“Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent?” Isn’t that the updated “American Dream”?
- bmismyname 4y ago
  To quote George Carlin, "they call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it".
- millzlane 4y ago
  I heard on the news this morning it's called the American Experiment.
  - dr-detroit 4y ago
polishdude20 4y ago
This world view seems like a potential death spiral. As world views become bleak, is encouraging people to say "fuck it" and maximize for enjoyment really the best move? Whatever happened to working hard to build a future for oneself? Yes, I understand there are higher powers that be and people with much more powers than you and I that are ruining the future but is the answer really to lay down and be engulfed in the pleasure-filled dopamine high ebbs and flows of the meta-verse? It's like the chicken and egg problem. What came first? Societal collapse or the willingness of its citizens to lay down and take it? Both cause eachother. Which variable is the one we can actually change? Yes, enjoy your lives but only to the extent to where you step away from the grind and reevaluate your priorities, take a look at what is important to you. Hunker down into the priorities that matter and remove the cruft of distractions.
- bmismyname 4y ago
  Forget the metaverse, try LSD and psilocybin. I think the only reason Zuck is pushing this VR nonsense is that he took too much and now he thinks he can put ads in your VR trip.
  - butUhmErm 4y ago
    I think it’s the opposite; he’s such a square which explains why his imagination is stuck on literally creating Snow Crash. Anyone who has tripped balls and come out OK is not so addicted to literalness as Zuck. They realize a multiverse of perspectives lives within them. It doesn’t need to be made “real”.
    - bmismyname 4y ago
      That's a neat way to think about it. I think a lot of the hype about AI or whatever is just because so many techies have tried these substances and realized that the brain is such a weird thing, and now they think they can emulate it, commodify it, and sell it for a monthly subscription fee. The truth is, we have no idea how the brain _actually_ works. In "The Doors of Perception", Aldous Huxley describes it very well: it's like these drugs remove a sensory filter we normally have in place which makes the world feel like...well...reality. When you remove that filter, you're suddenly flooded with the sense that there's so much more to the universe, but in actual fact it's all just in your head. It's just your brain cells doing a lot of communication with each other in a way that is most likely nonsensical. Some people come out the other side thinking they've found some magic, but more likely they've just experienced what was always there without the filter, and once it wears off you're the same person you were but perhaps with a sense of feeling like you're part of a big system (which we all are, called biology). From a strictly biological perspective it makes sense, given that most life is based on DNA and we share a lot of DNA with things that we are very different from. We share about 60% of our DNA with bananas.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  > What came first? Societal collapse or the willingness of its citizens to lay down and take it? The previous poster's description of the problem isn't by force of nature. It's by other people ("huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent"). Perhaps the CEOs should offer some concessions to the young workers.
chitowneats 4y ago
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  Gee, Weird how a little realism is somehow making a downward mobility. The fact is that a good deal of workers are struggling to get by while the folks at the top get bonuses equal to more than a few weeks pay. Being realistic, even when hidden under a layer of sarcasm, is preferable lest things not change.
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
  And here I thought it was crushing inflation, unaffordable housing and stagnant wages.
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    Those are all real issues. That's why I used the term "exacerbate". Those who do the bare minimum to get by in life are only hurting themselves in the long run. This remains true despite a gloomy macroeconomic outlook.
    - bmismyname 4y ago
      Do you really believe that the people at the top of the pyramid are working hard every day? If you do, then I've got bad news for you.
    - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
      "I know you're struggling to pick between rent and food, but have considered working harder?"
      - 77pt77 4y ago
        >Working 3 times harder for half the pay is still making 50% more. I can't stand these delusions.
    - 4y ago
erdos4d 4y ago
Completely agree. I see others are not liking this comment. I suspect they have an interest in young people continuing to slave themselves for less and less. The cold truth is that young people can cause a hell of a lot of trouble if they do it en mass. I encourage them to not only enjoy their lives but to be ready to buck the system hard when the time comes. This world can't continue this way and the ones pushing for it are not going to stop and cut the youth a fair deal until they feel their backs against the wall and the real fear sets in. They are a thick bunch, you have to get through to them this way.
jamestimmins 4y ago
As a young (ish) person, I wholeheartedly disagree with and reject this worldview, and would argue you're doing others an enormous disservice by promoting it. There are enormous challenges. Life literally depends on solving them. Suggesting that they can't be solved is tantamount to telling humanity to give up and die.
- godelski 4y ago
  > Suggesting that they can't be solved is tantamount to telling humanity to give up and die. Not only that, but it is _actively_ participating in the cyberpunk dystopia that they are saying is inevitable. If evil only needs good men to do nothing to grow, problems only need us to give up to become worse. (I'm clearly no poet)
  - bmismyname 4y ago
    This is a game where the only way to win is to not play, or to have rich parents.
    - godelski 4y ago
      Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You're talking on a form full of people who code for a living. Many who have seen their lives become substantially better. There are many problems and challenges that we still face, but that doesn't mean there are no solutions.
      - bmismyname 4y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/16/super-rich-family-dynastic-wealth-pandemic https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/16/super-rich-f...
        godelski 4y ago
        I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me here. I'm well aware of this. I'm saying that we need to do something about it or stop complaining. If you complain and take no further steps you are advocating for the issues, not condemning them.
joemazerino 4y ago
Speak for yourself, nihilist. Opportunities abound for those willing to work for them.
- bmismyname 4y ago
  Once you realize the game can't be won by doing what master tells you, you can start to beat the game. Master will not tell you how to beat him, for him to succeed you must fail.
- imtringued 4y ago
  We have to create artificial opportunities to keep that facade up.
abletonlive 4y ago
This is a "doomer" comment and should be called out as such. It doesn't reflect the reality that in general globally, people enjoy a higher quality of life than previous generations do.

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spaetzleesser 4y ago

“Will there be low wages with huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent?” Isn’t that the updated “American Dream”?

bmismyname 4y ago
To quote George Carlin, "they call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it".
millzlane 4y ago
I heard on the news this morning it's called the American Experiment.
- dr-detroit 4y ago

polishdude20 4y ago

This world view seems like a potential death spiral. As world views become bleak, is encouraging people to say "fuck it" and maximize for enjoyment really the best move? Whatever happened to working hard to build a future for oneself? Yes, I understand there are higher powers that be and people with much more powers than you and I that are ruining the future but is the answer really to lay down and be engulfed in the pleasure-filled dopamine high ebbs and flows of the meta-verse? It's like the chicken and egg problem. What came first? Societal collapse or the willingness of its citizens to lay down and take it? Both cause eachother. Which variable is the one we can actually change? Yes, enjoy your lives but only to the extent to where you step away from the grind and reevaluate your priorities, take a look at what is important to you. Hunker down into the priorities that matter and remove the cruft of distractions.

bmismyname 4y ago
Forget the metaverse, try LSD and psilocybin. I think the only reason Zuck is pushing this VR nonsense is that he took too much and now he thinks he can put ads in your VR trip.
- butUhmErm 4y ago
  I think it’s the opposite; he’s such a square which explains why his imagination is stuck on literally creating Snow Crash. Anyone who has tripped balls and come out OK is not so addicted to literalness as Zuck. They realize a multiverse of perspectives lives within them. It doesn’t need to be made “real”.
  - bmismyname 4y ago
    That's a neat way to think about it. I think a lot of the hype about AI or whatever is just because so many techies have tried these substances and realized that the brain is such a weird thing, and now they think they can emulate it, commodify it, and sell it for a monthly subscription fee. The truth is, we have no idea how the brain _actually_ works. In "The Doors of Perception", Aldous Huxley describes it very well: it's like these drugs remove a sensory filter we normally have in place which makes the world feel like...well...reality. When you remove that filter, you're suddenly flooded with the sense that there's so much more to the universe, but in actual fact it's all just in your head. It's just your brain cells doing a lot of communication with each other in a way that is most likely nonsensical. Some people come out the other side thinking they've found some magic, but more likely they've just experienced what was always there without the filter, and once it wears off you're the same person you were but perhaps with a sense of feeling like you're part of a big system (which we all are, called biology). From a strictly biological perspective it makes sense, given that most life is based on DNA and we share a lot of DNA with things that we are very different from. We share about 60% of our DNA with bananas.
Apocryphon 4y ago
> What came first? Societal collapse or the willingness of its citizens to lay down and take it? The previous poster's description of the problem isn't by force of nature. It's by other people ("huge bonuses for the CEOs while the workers have to struggle to pay rent"). Perhaps the CEOs should offer some concessions to the young workers.

chitowneats 4y ago

Broken_Hippo 4y ago
Gee, Weird how a little realism is somehow making a downward mobility. The fact is that a good deal of workers are struggling to get by while the folks at the top get bonuses equal to more than a few weeks pay. Being realistic, even when hidden under a layer of sarcasm, is preferable lest things not change.
ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
And here I thought it was crushing inflation, unaffordable housing and stagnant wages.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  Those are all real issues. That's why I used the term "exacerbate". Those who do the bare minimum to get by in life are only hurting themselves in the long run. This remains true despite a gloomy macroeconomic outlook.
  - bmismyname 4y ago
    Do you really believe that the people at the top of the pyramid are working hard every day? If you do, then I've got bad news for you.
  - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
    "I know you're struggling to pick between rent and food, but have considered working harder?"
    - 77pt77 4y ago
      >Working 3 times harder for half the pay is still making 50% more. I can't stand these delusions.
  - 4y ago

erdos4d 4y ago

Completely agree. I see others are not liking this comment. I suspect they have an interest in young people continuing to slave themselves for less and less. The cold truth is that young people can cause a hell of a lot of trouble if they do it en mass. I encourage them to not only enjoy their lives but to be ready to buck the system hard when the time comes. This world can't continue this way and the ones pushing for it are not going to stop and cut the youth a fair deal until they feel their backs against the wall and the real fear sets in. They are a thick bunch, you have to get through to them this way.

jamestimmins 4y ago

As a young (ish) person, I wholeheartedly disagree with and reject this worldview, and would argue you're doing others an enormous disservice by promoting it. There are enormous challenges. Life literally depends on solving them. Suggesting that they can't be solved is tantamount to telling humanity to give up and die.

godelski 4y ago
> Suggesting that they can't be solved is tantamount to telling humanity to give up and die. Not only that, but it is _actively_ participating in the cyberpunk dystopia that they are saying is inevitable. If evil only needs good men to do nothing to grow, problems only need us to give up to become worse. (I'm clearly no poet)
- bmismyname 4y ago
  This is a game where the only way to win is to not play, or to have rich parents.
  - godelski 4y ago
    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You're talking on a form full of people who code for a living. Many who have seen their lives become substantially better. There are many problems and challenges that we still face, but that doesn't mean there are no solutions.
    - bmismyname 4y ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/16/super-rich-family-dynastic-wealth-pandemic https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/16/super-rich-f...
      - godelski 4y ago
        I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me here. I'm well aware of this. I'm saying that we need to do something about it or stop complaining. If you complain and take no further steps you are advocating for the issues, not condemning them.

joemazerino 4y ago

Speak for yourself, nihilist. Opportunities abound for those willing to work for them.

bmismyname 4y ago
Once you realize the game can't be won by doing what master tells you, you can start to beat the game. Master will not tell you how to beat him, for him to succeed you must fail.
imtringued 4y ago
We have to create artificial opportunities to keep that facade up.

abletonlive 4y ago

This is a "doomer" comment and should be called out as such. It doesn't reflect the reality that in general globally, people enjoy a higher quality of life than previous generations do.