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The alternative would be a proper electron app. MS can do it. Look at VS Code. It's strange how they make some of the very best electron apps and also some of

by _abox 4y ago

The alternative would be a proper electron app. MS can do it. Look at VS Code. It's strange how they make some of the very best electron apps and also some of the worst (teams sucks on windows and Mac too and I don't see how their new edge-electron will fix that because it's also just a rebadged chrome just like electron) The problem with teams isn't electron. It's the project management that prioritizes new features over making the existing ones work smoothly. The web version won't solve this as it's simply the same thing.

marcosdumay 4y ago
There's nothing proper about electron. By itself it is already a huge suid executable that is almost impossible to verify. The MS idea of it is also a huge suid executable that you must download as a binary from MS and is contractually prohibited from verifying.
smoldesu 4y ago
FWIW, VS Code doesn't really work on Wayland either. For many people it still links against outdated Electron, which means a lot of Wayland-native features are broken out-of-the-box. I don't disagree that native apps should be a goal, but what does it matter with a video call app? Even Apple knew they had to throw in the towel here, Facetime can call direct-to-web now. Arguably, Microsoft's reluctance to make a good Skype webapp could be cited as one of the reasons for it's demise. Who knows, maybe we'd all be Skyping people still if Microsoft didn't wait until 2019 for a truly nice PWA. It won't save Teams as a product, but it would be a fine way to salvage it as an application. If you want an attractive groupware tool, it has to work on everyone's system. If you want an attractive IDE/text editor, it has to be the best for that specific system. These two goals, markets and products are completely distinct. By recognizing this dichotomy, I think they're strengthening their product lineup.
nikau 4y ago
Sadly they know their market - some very senior staff where I work were gushing over that newish feature to make people look like they are sitting in seats. Meanwhile something useful like maybe caching the stupid emoji and reaction images so they don't lag every time isn't fixed.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Oh yes the "together mode". We tried that out once and it was sluggish and didn't add much. I haven't seen it used in the whole last year. But you're right. The saying is true. "Microsoft is better at talking to your boss than you are."

by _abox 4y ago

marcosdumay 4y ago

There's nothing proper about electron. By itself it is already a huge suid executable that is almost impossible to verify. The MS idea of it is also a huge suid executable that you must download as a binary from MS and is contractually prohibited from verifying.

smoldesu 4y ago

FWIW, VS Code doesn't really work on Wayland either. For many people it still links against outdated Electron, which means a lot of Wayland-native features are broken out-of-the-box. I don't disagree that native apps should be a goal, but what does it matter with a video call app? Even Apple knew they had to throw in the towel here, Facetime can call direct-to-web now. Arguably, Microsoft's reluctance to make a good Skype webapp could be cited as one of the reasons for it's demise. Who knows, maybe we'd all be Skyping people still if Microsoft didn't wait until 2019 for a truly nice PWA. It won't save Teams as a product, but it would be a fine way to salvage it as an application. If you want an attractive groupware tool, it has to work on everyone's system. If you want an attractive IDE/text editor, it has to be the best for that specific system. These two goals, markets and products are completely distinct. By recognizing this dichotomy, I think they're strengthening their product lineup.

nikau 4y ago

Sadly they know their market - some very senior staff where I work were gushing over that newish feature to make people look like they are sitting in seats. Meanwhile something useful like maybe caching the stupid emoji and reaction images so they don't lag every time isn't fixed.

GekkePrutser 4y ago
Oh yes the "together mode". We tried that out once and it was sluggish and didn't add much. I haven't seen it used in the whole last year. But you're right. The saying is true. "Microsoft is better at talking to your boss than you are."