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Even when I was heading to college in '95 Oberlin was known as the SJW school. It was the "most woke", most liberal, most feminist, most LGBTQ+ friendly, etc.

Even when I was heading to college in '95 Oberlin was known as the SJW school. It was the "most woke", most liberal, most feminist, most LGBTQ+ friendly, etc. Those aren't necessarily negative attributes, but they are VERY EASY to weaponize, whether intentionally or not ... and things like the situation with Gibson's are the result.

Eupraxias 4y ago
I always thought that was Bard, or perhaps Reed or Hampshire.
neaden 4y ago
Even before then, Oberlin was the first college in the US to admit women on a permanent basis, and one of the first to admit black students. Back before the civil war it was an important sanctuary for people freeing enslavement in the south, with the college and town both providing support and resistance to people trying to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act. The kind of radicalism it has known for has done a lot of good, though as we see here it can lead to bad as well.
jcims 4y ago
At ~$40k a semester the student body is for the most part operating in a nerfed universe.
- gffrd 4y ago
  Wait … did I read that right? $40k Per semester? Guess I haven't looked at tuitions in a while.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Virtually no one pays full list price for college tuition.
    - JackFr 4y ago
      That's not true.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/tuition-and-fees https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/tuition-and-fees > Each year, more than two-thirds of Oberlin students receive some form of need-based financial assistance. Our three-part award package typically includes grants from the college, low-interest students loans, and work-study jobs. My school gave $10k "merit-based scholarship" to everyone, as the ACT/SAT score threshold for that aid was well below the threshold for admission. https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/college-expensive-most-students-dont-pay-full-cost https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/college-exp... > As Paul Tough reports for New York Times Magazine, 89% of students don't pay full price, and giving students a break has caused some colleges to operate at a loss. > The average freshman student in the class of 2018 at one of these private nonprofit universities will get a discount of 50%, he reports.
        JackFr 4y ago
        As a parent who has paid full freight for two children, I’m happy to have saved and I’m happy to command a salary that makes me ineligible for most aid. That being said, I do not own a house, I do not own a car and while my 401k is reasonably funded it’s my only asset. I too believed that no one paid full freight until it was my time to step up, and the financial aid package provided was. . . loans. When they say 89% of students receive aid, the bulk of that is in the form of subsidized loans. And 11% is not an insignificant number.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        > When they say 89% of students receive aid, the bulk of that is in the form of subsidized loans. That doesn't appear to be the case. https://www.nacubo.org/Press-Releases/2022/Tuition-Discount-Rates-at-Private-Colleges-and-Universities-Hit-All-Time-Highs https://www.nacubo.org/Press-Releases/2022/Tuition-Discount-... "In the 2021 NACUBO Tuition Discounting Study, 359 private, nonprofit colleges and universities reported an estimated 54.5 percent average institutional tuition discount rate for first-time, full-time, first-year students in 2021-22 and 49 percent for all undergraduates—both record highs. By providing grants, fellowships, and scholarships, these institutions forgo about half the revenue they otherwise would collect if they charged all students the tuition and fee sticker price." (Note that this article specifically indicates 82.5% received grant aid.) > And 11% is not an insignificant number. It is, as much of that will be international students.
  - throwoutway 4y ago

Eupraxias 4y ago

I always thought that was Bard, or perhaps Reed or Hampshire.

neaden 4y ago

Even before then, Oberlin was the first college in the US to admit women on a permanent basis, and one of the first to admit black students. Back before the civil war it was an important sanctuary for people freeing enslavement in the south, with the college and town both providing support and resistance to people trying to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act. The kind of radicalism it has known for has done a lot of good, though as we see here it can lead to bad as well.

jcims 4y ago

At ~$40k a semester the student body is for the most part operating in a nerfed universe.

gffrd 4y ago
Wait … did I read that right? $40k Per semester? Guess I haven't looked at tuitions in a while.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  Virtually no one pays full list price for college tuition.
  - JackFr 4y ago
    That's not true.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/tuition-and-fees https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/tuition-and-fees > Each year, more than two-thirds of Oberlin students receive some form of need-based financial assistance. Our three-part award package typically includes grants from the college, low-interest students loans, and work-study jobs. My school gave $10k "merit-based scholarship" to everyone, as the ACT/SAT score threshold for that aid was well below the threshold for admission. https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/college-expensive-most-students-dont-pay-full-cost https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/college-exp... > As Paul Tough reports for New York Times Magazine, 89% of students don't pay full price, and giving students a break has caused some colleges to operate at a loss. > The average freshman student in the class of 2018 at one of these private nonprofit universities will get a discount of 50%, he reports.
      - JackFr 4y ago
        As a parent who has paid full freight for two children, I’m happy to have saved and I’m happy to command a salary that makes me ineligible for most aid. That being said, I do not own a house, I do not own a car and while my 401k is reasonably funded it’s my only asset. I too believed that no one paid full freight until it was my time to step up, and the financial aid package provided was. . . loans. When they say 89% of students receive aid, the bulk of that is in the form of subsidized loans. And 11% is not an insignificant number.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        > When they say 89% of students receive aid, the bulk of that is in the form of subsidized loans. That doesn't appear to be the case. https://www.nacubo.org/Press-Releases/2022/Tuition-Discount-Rates-at-Private-Colleges-and-Universities-Hit-All-Time-Highs https://www.nacubo.org/Press-Releases/2022/Tuition-Discount-... "In the 2021 NACUBO Tuition Discounting Study, 359 private, nonprofit colleges and universities reported an estimated 54.5 percent average institutional tuition discount rate for first-time, full-time, first-year students in 2021-22 and 49 percent for all undergraduates—both record highs. By providing grants, fellowships, and scholarships, these institutions forgo about half the revenue they otherwise would collect if they charged all students the tuition and fee sticker price." (Note that this article specifically indicates 82.5% received grant aid.) > And 11% is not an insignificant number. It is, as much of that will be international students.
- throwoutway 4y ago