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Did you perhaps misread the title? This is _arm_ suing, not Apple. I can't think of anything in particular Apple has done to kill competition in the SoC space,

• ZiiS 4y ago
  Releasing chips that are years ahead of the competitors significantly reduces competition.
  • selykg 4y ago
    Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but are you saying they should hold back their own chips so as to make it fair for the competition?
    • zer0zzz 4y ago
      Perhaps he’s implying that apple is pulling the strings and arm is doing this because of some pressure from apple? Outside that I can’t imagine how this comment makes any sense.
      • selykg 4y ago
        lol, I'm just confused. One of the reason's Apple has such a big lead, according to all the discussion I've seen here on HackerNews is that it's because Apple is on a newer chip process (5nm) whereas everyone is behind, and that if the competition was on a better process the differences wouldn't be as stark. The reason Apple is using a better process is they are investing so heavily in TSMC so that the process can be improved, and for that investment they get sort of a "dibs" on production, which, honestly seems fair. It's not like Apple sees TSMC as a charity here and I don't think anyone could argue otherwise. Also, as is probably obvious with Apple using these chips in iPhones, iPads, Apple TV, Watches, and now Macs (A series, M series, etc) they might be one of the largest single customers of TSMC and to even be able to produce enough of those chips they need to buy production well in advance. I don't know, people can claim unfair advantage all they want but looking at it from a business standpoint Apple is moving things forward.
        • smoldesu 4y ago
          Where do we draw the line for unfair advantage, then? Apple is already the single largest company in the world. What would it take for you to admit they're abusing their market position?
          • 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
            The first Apple designed chip to see production was the A4 released all the way back in 2010. So it would have been in design stages some years before that. I find it hard to believe industry insiders didn't have some inkling what Apple was trying to pull some vertical integration move during all that. All the normies would have been given ideas by the A7, the first 64 bit design. I think that's when the iPhone benchmarks really started pulling well ahead. It's not like Apple didn't telegraph their move almost a decade in advance. I'm not sure what you're suggesting.
          • selykg 4y ago
            > What would it take for you to admit they're abusing their market position? More than someone simply claiming it. Loudly proclaiming it in a comment isn't showing your work. This is like math class, show me the work. How are they abusing their market position?
          • rdsnsca 4y ago
            Proof
            • amitkjain 4y ago
              Apple already filed lawsuit of Nuvia but could not stop Qualcomm from making Windows on ARm latop chips which is their biggest worry.
          • scarface74 4y ago
            They are abusing their market position by investing billions in TSMC so they can make better chips? It’s not like Android is backed by a tiny startup. But more to the point, what does an article about ARM suing Qualcomm have to do with Apple?
      • amitkjain 4y ago
        You got it right.Apple is scared of Windows on ARM laptops. ARM would benefit if Qualcomm makes ARM chips for laptops. Apple would have threatened to move to RISC V if ARM allows Qualcomm to continue with Nuvia.
  • vocram 4y ago
    Releasing chips behind the competition has the same effect
  • bogwog 4y ago
    Remember that sarcasm doesn't work on the internet. You need to be explicit about it, such as by adding a "/s" at the end.
  • ZiiS 4y ago
    Sorry I missed the "/s". I was just trying to sympathize with any engineer being asked to compete with the m1.