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I thought the article touched on an important point: the reluctance to be nude in public is the commodification of bodies (through photography, social media, pl
by chris_armstrong 4y ago
I thought the article touched on an important point: the reluctance to be nude in public is the commodification of bodies (through photography, social media, plastic surgery, porn), where effectively people drawing a line where they did not have to before. I think people are increasingly aware of this in their interactions in public spaces, especially when so much more of our social interactions are up for commodification through social media and the like (even the commodification of sentiment and political issues which is raison detre for many Twitter personalities, journalists and podcast hosts)
- echelon 4y agoI reject that hypothesis outright and submit another one: It's the cameras. They're everywhere now.
- galaxyLogic 4y agoI was thinking about the same thing. If you go to nude beach somebody could take your picture and put it online and then when you apply for a job they could find that nude picture and could think there is something wrong about you.
- stephen_g 4y agoShows there is something wrong with our culture when anybody could think there is something “wrong” about somebody relaxing on a beach while being nude in a non-sexual context…
- imtringued 4y agoOur economy hates full employment so people are always scared of being the one who is unemployed.
- galaxyLogic 4y agoGuardians or the "norms" will use any deviation from norms against you.
- sdoering 4y agoAnd? If somebody is not offering me a job because of some image of me on a nude beach I am glad they sorted themselves out for me. I would not want to work for people like that.
- lazide 4y agoThat’s all well and good until that means no one with interesting work or good pay wants you to work for them. Which for many people is a real concern.
- arblor 4y agoI can't imagine a company saying "sorry, we have to let you go because we saw a naked pic of you on xvideos in a non-sexual context made by a creep"
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- imtringued 4y agoDo you think HR is going to investigate? The type of company that rejects you for something like that is just going to look at the thumbnail and not mention why they haven't hired you.
- infinite_beam 4y agohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62601044 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62601044
- lazide 4y agoOf course they wouldn’t say it, generally, you’d just be round filed along with 90%+ of the other applicants and never know why. Unless they’re entertainingly dumb, in which case they’ll bring screenshots. Which has happened. Most companies don’t want drama with, around, or from employees. They want people who get what they need done, done. Something comes up that looks like drama? Round file. And good luck contesting it if they do this - courts generally give quite wide discretion to hiring decisions like this. It would need to be explicitly based on a protected class, which is quite narrow, AND they’d have to have documented it as such - which they’d have to be complete idiots to do. Oh, and you’d have to know about, and find the documentation.
- fullshark 4y agoI don’t want anyone on the planet to be able to see a picture of me naked and it has nothing to do with the perception they’d think something was wrong with me. Merely a healthy interest in personal privacy.
- hackernewds 4y agoNot to mention legitimate blackmail of the content being sent to friends family and coworkers. Almost always accompanied by a threat to be paid in, guess it, Bitcoin
- lolc 4y agoMy family and coworkers would just go "haha who that weirdo sending nudes of you?" They would see fault with that person, not me. But some people could be spooked by the threat, yes. I wonder whether this population is large enough to make attempts worthwhile.
- bobthepanda 4y agoThey’d need to identify the correct person to blackmail first though, I don’t know that I could 1:1 recognize a total stranger on the beach
- personalidea 4y agoBut that somebody would need to somehow connect that image with my name. I mean one thing is taking nude selfies and then posting them on my IG or whatever and the other is random stranger snapping pictures from far away. How would the latter turn up when someone is looking for me? Face recognition? Possible, but I don’t think we’re there yet, or?
- lazide 4y agoAutomated facial recognition and image correlation has been widespread and used on photos on the internet for a decade at least now.
- personalidea 4y agoOkay, true. But which employer is going to use this to check up on new hires?
- lazide 4y agoIt used to be pretty common in California, which is why California passed all it's various laws restricting background check scope and degree of information. Now most big corps farm out background checks to various third parties. In my experience it's usually the small to medium companies that don't care about stuff like if it's actually legal or not, and it's not like it's hard to do - [https://pimeyes.com/en https://pimeyes.com/en] is one of a great many. That said, if a hiring manager looks it up, and passes instead of hires and doesn't tell anyone why, it's not like that would show up in a database or procedure somewhere.
- googlryas 4y agoHow is that person going to link your name with your nude picture taken by a stranger?
- usrusr 4y agoThat's only one side though: the other side is that people really like posting their own lives, particularly highlights like going to the beach. But they certainly wouldn't want to do that in the form of nudes. Nude beaches are supposed to be a camera free zone, and people are not interested in camera free zones. If it's not on Insta is did not happen, to paraphrase the Strava addict's creed. Nude beaches are dying because everyone has become too exhibitionist to go there.
- zwirbl 4y agoThere are a ton on people that barely use social media and do not post anything, so this is at most a very limited explanation
- ikt 4y agocameras by themselves don't mean much but add in social media and my understanding is that this is already well known as 'social cooling' https://www.socialcooling.com/ https://www.socialcooling.com/ in particular was a story about how in the past there was girls gone wild etc but that's now starting to fade away as young people are aware one dumb moment can live on forever thanks to social media
- StanislavPetrov 4y ago>cameras by themselves don't mean much Couldn't disagree more. Years ago if you dropped your trunks at a beach and there were ~10 people around who didn't know you there there were virtually no potential consequences except a little embarrassment from a few total strangers (who you'd likely never see again) seeing you naked from a distance. With cameras your nudity is captured in HD from a distance and potentially distributed to the entire world, in perpetuity. >but that's now starting to fade away as young people are aware one dumb moment can live on forever thanks to social media Even if its true that shameful and/or embarrassing moments captured on film are less of a social stigma among young people (because they are so common now), that doesn't mean there isn't a massive difference today due to the ubiquitous presence of cameras. In my opinion this ever-present recording has significantly changed society and the way people behave - and not for the better.
- psychstudio 4y agoNot just cameras. They're just one small part in the overall degradation of privacy. Constant surveillance _is_, unfortunately a reality. Dystopia right before our very eyes.
- eloff 4y agoIt's really the combination of cameras plus internet.
- ryandrake 4y agoOn the positive side, cameras and social media are increasingly catching everything on the spectrum from anti-social behavior to crimes and providing consequences where there were never any before. You can't just trash a McDonalds, go on a racist tirade, or act belligerently in public without a good chance that someone's going to capture it and post it on social media. These are cases where "social cooling" is welcome. Ubiquitous cameras are also slowly starting to allow the public to hold police and other public authorities accountable for actions they were previously totally unaccountable for.
- chris_armstrong 4y agoCameras facilitate making 'the body' a commodity in a way they couldn't in the past i.e. cameras, and the ability to share photos with others are both ubiquitous now.
- ChemSpider 4y agoYES. The cameras. At least here in the EU, many don't mind being naked, but have absolutely no interest to end up on a porn (or whatever) website. Basically people do not want to be THAT guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vx008uwMfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vx008uwMfA Before cameras and internet, that would have been a fun local event and long forgotten. Now the pictures are everywhere.
- giantg2 4y agoI don't care except for the negative impact of getting fired, etc. If it's something I'm fine with doing in public, then I'm fine with it on the internet. I doubt there's very much demand for non-sexual public nudity photos as compared to all the other stuff on those sites. I'd easily be lost in the noise. I'm also a guy, so there's probably a different viewpoint for some women.
- bobthepanda 4y agoTo some degree, nudity was/is a bit of a conscious countercultural thing against prudishness in society. As society has become significantly less prudish about showing skin, the countercultural impact of total nudity has gone from total reversal, to being just a bit further down the free spectrum, and that gives the whole act in general less of a reason. It's a big deal, but not nearly as revolutionary, and so I would imagine most people would shrug and say "why?" --- Also, it doesn't really help that nudity is these days associated with the crowd of its heyday, who are now well into being senior citizens, and that just makes the whole thing even less cool.
- masswerk 4y agoI agree with the (counter)cultural aspect and that after more than a generation isn't a hot new thing anymore. But it's not only nudity, it's also swimwear. Especially to be observed with young males, where we went from Speedos to voluminous, maybe multi-layered (if local regulation don't prohibit this) pants. There's definitely a "new shyness".
- bobthepanda 4y agoSpeedos were never particularly big in the US, so I can’t particularly comment on those. I will say, that in 2022 I don’t think it’s necessarily shyness. We are now generally much more aware of the harms of UV damage to skin than we were in the 60s and 70s, and so there is actually a trend away from tanning and towards covering up. Which is probably for the best since skin cancer is the most common cancer in the US.
- ghaff 4y agoMy recollection is that Speedos weren't exactly rare but they tended to be more associated with sports than something you wore to hang out at the beach.
- masswerk 4y agoThere may be cultural differences (esp. regarding the US, which were generally known as somewhat prudish in these concerns), but in Europe sporty swimwear (rather by Adidas and similar domestic brands than real Speedos) was the default. Anything else was asking for an explanation or would even provoke open ridicule (like Hawaiian shorts).
- shapefrog 4y agoWhy give it up for free, nude is for your subscribers only.