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Very worrying to see the restrictions against China escalating; Especially since China is incredibly advanced in hardware manufacturing and is not at war with
by rvnx 4y ago
Very worrying to see the restrictions against China escalating;
Especially since China is incredibly advanced in hardware manufacturing and is not at war with the West.
At best, this is just pushing for escalation so they can restrict exports on their side too.
Even, for them. In one of their speech (in France, on a YouTube channel called Thinkerview for those who know), one of their representative quoted a Chinese proverb saying: "Nothing is more favourable than stability, nothing is more harmful than chaos".
Social stability, free markets and long-term peace are in the interest of both parties.
- Smhlol 4y ago
- immigrantheart 4y agoUS is scared.
- rvnx 4y agoThe world isn't really going in the right direction and any sign toward appeasing or pacification is crucial at such stage :/ What I am calling for: closer ties and negotiations and collaborative work.
- thriftwy 4y agoI hope you do realize you've been smoking at the proverbial gas station for 30 years now? The first step when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging. Too late for that now, I have to admit.
- rvnx 4y agoI'm not sure I understand (litterally, without being sarcastic or something). You mean that the point of no return is already passed and that there is no reason to try to calm down things using diplomacy and cooperation, that it's purely on a power level that there is the solution ?
- thriftwy 4y agoAre the China-embarrassing state visits to Taiwan an example of diplomacy and cooperation? That kind of cooperation and diplomacy is called coercion and incitement. The problem is, China and India have grown up now and they are going to behave like adults. And how do adult role models behave in the century XXI? Afghanistan, Lybia, Iraq, that's how.
- onepointsixC 4y agoNo other country has such fits of rage to a diplomatic visit. Pretending that having leaders of one country visit another is coercion or incitement is gaslighting.
- thriftwy 4y agoTell that to Japan which issues diplomatic notes of protest every time Russian officials (not even foreign diplomats!) visit Russian Kuril islands. Meanwhile, Kuril islands: contested by Japan but 70 years under Russian administration.
- fudgefactorfive 4y ago> living in Europe > any sign of appeasing would be positive ...yada yada doomed to repeat yada yada...
- bequanna 4y agoWhat kind of appeasement did you have in mind?
- xster 4y agoProbably the same kind of appeasement China does for the US by not selling weapons to Alaska and conducting freedom of navigation patrols between Alaska and Washington.
- immigrantheart 4y agoSorry what does this comment mean? I genuinely don't understand (not a native speaker). EDIT: Oh I think I get it, you want more cooperation, peace, among humans/countries etc. Yeah, most people want it, but in today's world, it is increasingly unlikely. On one hand, I don't like the fact that Western world emphasizes diversity and multiculturalism too much. We are too different, and forcing everyone to accept everyone is just pipe dream. At one point my values will clash with someone else's. I think fences, borders, are good. Deglobalization is good, slower economy is good. Just make sure we don't invade one another (I know, also pipe dream). I also quite admire Xi Jinping. He is a dictator, and knows that he serves his country, an ethnic nation. He doesn't pretend to care about other ethnic minorities or other nations. He made China great. Hopefully China doesn't invade other countries, and prefer to be defensive. In short: fences make good neighbors, let's all slow down on (forced) diversity and multiculturalism, let's all go back to our own fences, and cooperate from within the fences. We can visit our neighbors sometimes, have a good laugh, and after that we go home to our own fences. Cooperation is overrated. I'd settle with peaceful coexistence. It is heaven on Earth. I don't seek downvote, but I know I will be downvoted for this opinion, just make sure you squint to read the light colored comments.
- rvnx 4y agoYeah you found the right word, peaceful coexistence :) I'm maybe too dreamy, but I feel we are all prisoners on Earth, until we reach another planet. And I believe game theory shows that prisoners are better collaborating ;) As an entrepreneur, if I'd be running NVidia (or just investor in $NVDA), I'd be extremely annoyed that I am forbidden to sell my products to a large market, just because of political pressure. Regarding your solutions and analysis, I don't know much about China politics other than gifs or memes that I saw on reddit, so I cannot say :D
- immigrantheart 4y agoThe problem with being in the same cell is eventually one wants to smoke and one hates smoke. Everyone should just be in their own cell, and we can do whatever we want. We can still play card game and talk. China is the only old civilization that still strive today. As a country, they are really big. It takes tremendous amount of leadership to bring China to what it is today. Yes the memes about China are true, like the Uyghur Muslims treatment, the police state etc. But despite all of these, despite the lack of diversity, despite the lack of Western values, they still made great progress. It shows that a nation doesn't need diversity and multiculturalism to be strong. I'm fine with diversity and multiculturalism, I just prefer the fenced version of it. To tell the truth, I am scared of China too (and I am scared of their influence and power over my home country, I currently reside in the US). But I respect their strength.
- systemvoltage 4y agoNo, the US world police is winding down (Bretton Woods era). Expect massive chaos everywhere except in US for decades to come.
- immigrantheart 4y agoYes I read the book as well. US already has inside chaos (and will get way way, way way, way way worse), don't need to worry about other countries chaos.
- decremental 4y agoThe on-purpose collapse of the global American Empire is going to cause pain for the entire world.
- immigrantheart 4y agoEh, its life.
- emkoemko 4y agohope not i wouldn't want the CCP being the global leader...but in the end we got rid of Nazi Germany we will do the same with CCP China.
- emkoemko 4y agohmmm so CPP is good? not sure why the down votes?
- Der_Einzige 4y agoHitler didn't have hundreds of nukes...
- systemvoltage 4y agoCould very well be, I sincerely hope not. If you remove the facade of petty wars of insert-your-current-thing, I was surprised to see that Biden is even more pro-US and anti-China/Russia than Trump from a strategic standpoint. US is becoming the IBM of sorts of nation. Slow, sluggish, inefficient and it's gonna continue to peddle on as far as no one fucks with the food supplies (or guns).
- jhanschoo 4y agoMainland China has no current and short-term future capability to manufacture cutting-edge chips of the kind used in these GPUs.
- wmf 4y agoSMIC just announced 7 nm and Biren announced a GPU with claimed H100-like performance.
- jhanschoo 4y agoThanks; it looks like my understanding is outdated, though note the following caveats: SMIC 7nm: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-chipmaker-smics-7nm-process-is-reportedly-copied-from-tsmc-tech https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-chipmaker-smics-7nm-... (ignore the journalist-speculative headline, but pay attention to the following) > "This low-volume production product may be the steppingstone for a true 7nm process that incorporates scaled logic and memory bitcells. Since bitcoin miners have limited RAM requirements, they likely do not feature the typical bitcell memory that the true 7nm technology definition requires (both scaled logic and bitcell adoption). This chipset likely demonstrates the logic part but not the bitcell aspect," said TechInsights. Biren: this looks to be diffused by TSMC.
- adrian_b 4y agoBiren is made at TSMC, exactly as NVIDIA A100 and H100. Biren is designed in China, like A100 & H100 are designed in USA. As long as TSMC is not forbidden to export to China, forbidding only the export of chips designed in USA can no longer affect China, when they have pretty much identical chip design capabilities with USA.
- Barrin92 4y agoyou'd hope people who make these decisions also include some mid and long term thinking. On that time scale any politicization of trade is going to accelerate competitors and incentivize everyone to look towards alternatives. That's basically what's happened in software already. A major reason the US has had sustained influence in the world without using much force is because it has not weaponized trade. It's the reason for the strength of the dollar, the dominance of US tech and finance, and so on. Throwing that away to merely stagger a country that's destined to catch up eventually doesn't seem wise.
- ETH_start 4y agoI'm not a foreign policy expert, but the PRC seems to have very aggressive territorial ambitions. Its nine dash line incorporates vast swathes of land and water that international law recognizes as belonging to other countries. To strengthen its claims in the West Pacific, the PRC has embarked on an unprecedented island building program in the region, and turned those islands into military outposts. Here's a good breakdown of the history of PRC claims in the West Philippine Sea: https://youtu.be/H3NzRvvnjRQ https://youtu.be/H3NzRvvnjRQ
- TulliusCicero 4y agoThis is what the West tried to do with Russia. Germany especially was heavy on economic ties. "Surely if we're economically tied together, Russia won't risk their prosperity by full-on invading another country!" How well did that turn out for them?