I'm going to assume this is an earnest question. I enjoy constructive discussion on HN, but the downvoted/dead/flagged posts I see all seem to be short, unsubs

I'm going to assume this is an earnest question. I enjoy constructive discussion on HN, but the downvoted/dead/flagged posts I see all seem to be short, unsubstantive comments that repeat familiar tropes and beg others to proceed with similarly trite responses. It would seem to fall short of this guideline: > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. And of course people also downvote to disagree. The winds blow certain ways here.