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>> Communism has a worse track record with environmentalism. That doesn't have any relevance to a critique of capitalism. They both have problems. Also, even i

>> Communism has a worse track record with environmentalism. That doesn't have any relevance to a critique of capitalism. They both have problems. Also, even if we compare them on "environmentalism", that's only one criteria.

WalterBright 4y ago
> That doesn't have any relevance to a critique of capitalism. Pedantically, you are correct. But pragmatically, the people who write "capitalism is bad because of X" are usually interested in replacing it with leftism. > only one criteria Your post would be more interesting if you pointed out one criteria where Marxism is better.
- galdosdi 4y ago
  > But pragmatically, the people who write These alleged people aren't here though. This is the definition of strawman arguing. Sorry, but you need to engage with the actual positions of the people who you are actually responding to, not the positions of some other people you once met somewhere else but that remind you of us. That kind of discussion is a total waste of time.
  - nickpp 4y ago
    > These alleged people aren't here though. Marx is one of those people. His written words paraphrased here by you.
- worldsayshi 4y ago
  >people who write "capitalism is bad because of X" are usually interested in replacing it with leftism This sounds like looking for a fight that has been fought thousands of times before rather than looking to learn something interesting though. To me a more interesting question would be, if we steel man the public conception of the problems of capitalism, and we accept that the public conception of communism is problematic to implement to say the least, what remains? How can we move forward without endlessly getting stuck in the same tired argument about communism? How can intelligent people discuss solutions to these issues? What are our alternatives?
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    Taxing pollution is an effective means to reduce externalities of capitalist pollution. I.e. use market oriented solutions.

WalterBright 4y ago

> That doesn't have any relevance to a critique of capitalism. Pedantically, you are correct. But pragmatically, the people who write "capitalism is bad because of X" are usually interested in replacing it with leftism. > only one criteria Your post would be more interesting if you pointed out one criteria where Marxism is better.

galdosdi 4y ago
> But pragmatically, the people who write These alleged people aren't here though. This is the definition of strawman arguing. Sorry, but you need to engage with the actual positions of the people who you are actually responding to, not the positions of some other people you once met somewhere else but that remind you of us. That kind of discussion is a total waste of time.
- nickpp 4y ago
  > These alleged people aren't here though. Marx is one of those people. His written words paraphrased here by you.
worldsayshi 4y ago
>people who write "capitalism is bad because of X" are usually interested in replacing it with leftism This sounds like looking for a fight that has been fought thousands of times before rather than looking to learn something interesting though. To me a more interesting question would be, if we steel man the public conception of the problems of capitalism, and we accept that the public conception of communism is problematic to implement to say the least, what remains? How can we move forward without endlessly getting stuck in the same tired argument about communism? How can intelligent people discuss solutions to these issues? What are our alternatives?
- WalterBright 4y ago
  Taxing pollution is an effective means to reduce externalities of capitalist pollution. I.e. use market oriented solutions.