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I converted it to celsius and just realized it means you can't sleep if the temperature is above 22C. IMO, that's a reaching the level of a physical handicap: i

I converted it to celsius and just realized it means you can't sleep if the temperature is above 22C. IMO, that's a reaching the level of a physical handicap: it's a very mild temp.

renewiltord 4y ago
The unspoken variable in many of these cases is body fat percent.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Eh, seemed to hold true even back when I still had the good ol' six-pack.
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  Not sure about this, I'm 110 kg (242 pounds), and I sleep fine with temps up to 30C (86F). Higher than that is less comfortable, but not to the point of not sleeping. It starts to suck above 35. I think it's more a about if you have lived with AC most of your life or not. While being fat does mean I get more heat, I have witnessed drastic differences in body temperature adaptation that are independant of the weight of the person. Your ability to change your blood vessels dilatation, produce sweat, and work out your mitochondrias probably plays a big role, and I would imagine they are worse when you are overweight, and better if you lived in Africa or Canada.
nradov 4y ago
That is in no way a physical handicap. Sleep quality (in terms of actual rest and recovery) is highly dependent on temperature. The optimal temperature is about 18 °C for most people. This article has an extensive list of references if you want to dig into the research. https://www.sleepfoundation.org/bedroom-environment/best-temperature-for-sleep https://www.sleepfoundation.org/bedroom-environment/best-tem... I'm going to continue running my AC at night when it's hot.
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  The entire world didn't have AC just a few decades ago and most people slept fine. If in less than a century of introducing a tech your body becomes so dependant to it it impairs a critical body function if you don't have it, yes, it's a handicap.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Well, another way I can sleep OK in most any condition (short of becoming badly sleep-deprived) is to get a ton of physical activity during the day. Wear myself right the hell out, so I'm dead-tired by sundown. I bet physical activity levels were way, way higher pre-AC, too.
    - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
      Indeed, and they were outside more, which means more exposed to the weather. Also food was different. I noticed that some food make my body temperature rise a lot, and that may play a role.
  - nradov 4y ago
    Actually people often didn't sleep fine at all. Or let's see some evidence that they did because I don't believe you. I know my own grandparents complained about being unable to sleep soundly during the summer when they lived in New York without AC.
    - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
      22C is not summer temp. It's spring temp. Complaining about not sleeping well in the middle of a hot summer is very different from not being able to sleep at all in the middle of spring without an AC.
      - yamtaddle 4y ago
        It's pretty rare for our nighttime lows to be above 72, even in the Summer, and I live in a fairly hot part of the US (though not the South proper). Even when it's in the high 90s or low 100s during the day, which is typically only a few weeks a year, usually it still gets down to 75-78 at night. We're in the high-80s this week and nighttime lows will be as low as 58F. Spring nighttime temps are more like 35-55. The main trouble's the damn humidity. A very-humid 72 still feels gross. And maybe I could sleep like a baby on a night when it gets down to 60, but if that's a spring or summer night I'll wake up nasty and covered in sweat unless I've got some serious dehumidification going (that's what happens when I go camping—might be cold enough to sleep well, but unless it's Winter or late Fall the high humidity still has unpleasant effects). Plus you get mildew and mold problems if you let a modern, very-sealed-up (so, efficient for AC) house get very humid too often, so it's better to just dehumidify with the AC even if the outdoor temp matches what I'd like it to be indoors.

I converted it to celsius and just realized it means you can't sleep if the temperature is above 22C. IMO, that's a reaching the level of a physical handicap: it's a very mild temp.

renewiltord 4y ago

The unspoken variable in many of these cases is body fat percent.

yamtaddle 4y ago
Eh, seemed to hold true even back when I still had the good ol' six-pack.
BiteCode_dev 4y ago
Not sure about this, I'm 110 kg (242 pounds), and I sleep fine with temps up to 30C (86F). Higher than that is less comfortable, but not to the point of not sleeping. It starts to suck above 35. I think it's more a about if you have lived with AC most of your life or not. While being fat does mean I get more heat, I have witnessed drastic differences in body temperature adaptation that are independant of the weight of the person. Your ability to change your blood vessels dilatation, produce sweat, and work out your mitochondrias probably plays a big role, and I would imagine they are worse when you are overweight, and better if you lived in Africa or Canada.

nradov 4y ago

That is in no way a physical handicap. Sleep quality (in terms of actual rest and recovery) is highly dependent on temperature. The optimal temperature is about 18 °C for most people. This article has an extensive list of references if you want to dig into the research. https://www.sleepfoundation.org/bedroom-environment/best-temperature-for-sleep https://www.sleepfoundation.org/bedroom-environment/best-tem... I'm going to continue running my AC at night when it's hot.

BiteCode_dev 4y ago
The entire world didn't have AC just a few decades ago and most people slept fine. If in less than a century of introducing a tech your body becomes so dependant to it it impairs a critical body function if you don't have it, yes, it's a handicap.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Well, another way I can sleep OK in most any condition (short of becoming badly sleep-deprived) is to get a ton of physical activity during the day. Wear myself right the hell out, so I'm dead-tired by sundown. I bet physical activity levels were way, way higher pre-AC, too.
  - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
    Indeed, and they were outside more, which means more exposed to the weather. Also food was different. I noticed that some food make my body temperature rise a lot, and that may play a role.
- nradov 4y ago
  Actually people often didn't sleep fine at all. Or let's see some evidence that they did because I don't believe you. I know my own grandparents complained about being unable to sleep soundly during the summer when they lived in New York without AC.
  - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
    22C is not summer temp. It's spring temp. Complaining about not sleeping well in the middle of a hot summer is very different from not being able to sleep at all in the middle of spring without an AC.
    - yamtaddle 4y ago
      It's pretty rare for our nighttime lows to be above 72, even in the Summer, and I live in a fairly hot part of the US (though not the South proper). Even when it's in the high 90s or low 100s during the day, which is typically only a few weeks a year, usually it still gets down to 75-78 at night. We're in the high-80s this week and nighttime lows will be as low as 58F. Spring nighttime temps are more like 35-55. The main trouble's the damn humidity. A very-humid 72 still feels gross. And maybe I could sleep like a baby on a night when it gets down to 60, but if that's a spring or summer night I'll wake up nasty and covered in sweat unless I've got some serious dehumidification going (that's what happens when I go camping—might be cold enough to sleep well, but unless it's Winter or late Fall the high humidity still has unpleasant effects). Plus you get mildew and mold problems if you let a modern, very-sealed-up (so, efficient for AC) house get very humid too often, so it's better to just dehumidify with the AC even if the outdoor temp matches what I'd like it to be indoors.