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I'd have to move way North to be able to sleep OK without AC. Or maybe to a desert area with high elevation, for those nice, cold nights. Discovering how much

I'd have to move way North to be able to sleep OK without AC. Or maybe to a desert area with high elevation, for those nice, cold nights. Discovering how much better I sleep when the temp is in the 62-66F range has made a big difference. I'd hate to go back to trying to sleep with temps over 68F, certainly. Over 72F and I basically can't sleep. I mean I'm sure I'd acclimate to some degree, but it's not like I was already used to sleeping in colder temps before I tried it, so I'm pretty sure that range is absolutely better for me, regardless of what I'm accustomed to or able to tolerate.

BiteCode_dev 4y ago
I converted it to celsius and just realized it means you can't sleep if the temperature is above 22C. IMO, that's a reaching the level of a physical handicap: it's a very mild temp.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  The unspoken variable in many of these cases is body fat percent.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Eh, seemed to hold true even back when I still had the good ol' six-pack.
  - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
    Not sure about this, I'm 110 kg (242 pounds), and I sleep fine with temps up to 30C (86F). Higher than that is less comfortable, but not to the point of not sleeping. It starts to suck above 35. I think it's more a about if you have lived with AC most of your life or not. While being fat does mean I get more heat, I have witnessed drastic differences in body temperature adaptation that are independant of the weight of the person. Your ability to change your blood vessels dilatation, produce sweat, and work out your mitochondrias probably plays a big role, and I would imagine they are worse when you are overweight, and better if you lived in Africa or Canada.
- nradov 4y ago
  That is in no way a physical handicap. Sleep quality (in terms of actual rest and recovery) is highly dependent on temperature. The optimal temperature is about 18 °C for most people. This article has an extensive list of references if you want to dig into the research. https://www.sleepfoundation.org/bedroom-environment/best-temperature-for-sleep https://www.sleepfoundation.org/bedroom-environment/best-tem... I'm going to continue running my AC at night when it's hot.
  - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
    The entire world didn't have AC just a few decades ago and most people slept fine. If in less than a century of introducing a tech your body becomes so dependant to it it impairs a critical body function if you don't have it, yes, it's a handicap.
    - yamtaddle 4y ago
      Well, another way I can sleep OK in most any condition (short of becoming badly sleep-deprived) is to get a ton of physical activity during the day. Wear myself right the hell out, so I'm dead-tired by sundown. I bet physical activity levels were way, way higher pre-AC, too.
      - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
        Indeed, and they were outside more, which means more exposed to the weather. Also food was different. I noticed that some food make my body temperature rise a lot, and that may play a role.
    - nradov 4y ago
      Actually people often didn't sleep fine at all. Or let's see some evidence that they did because I don't believe you. I know my own grandparents complained about being unable to sleep soundly during the summer when they lived in New York without AC.
      - BiteCode_dev 4y ago

BiteCode_dev 4y ago

I converted it to celsius and just realized it means you can't sleep if the temperature is above 22C. IMO, that's a reaching the level of a physical handicap: it's a very mild temp.

renewiltord 4y ago
The unspoken variable in many of these cases is body fat percent.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Eh, seemed to hold true even back when I still had the good ol' six-pack.
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  Not sure about this, I'm 110 kg (242 pounds), and I sleep fine with temps up to 30C (86F). Higher than that is less comfortable, but not to the point of not sleeping. It starts to suck above 35. I think it's more a about if you have lived with AC most of your life or not. While being fat does mean I get more heat, I have witnessed drastic differences in body temperature adaptation that are independant of the weight of the person. Your ability to change your blood vessels dilatation, produce sweat, and work out your mitochondrias probably plays a big role, and I would imagine they are worse when you are overweight, and better if you lived in Africa or Canada.
nradov 4y ago
That is in no way a physical handicap. Sleep quality (in terms of actual rest and recovery) is highly dependent on temperature. The optimal temperature is about 18 °C for most people. This article has an extensive list of references if you want to dig into the research. https://www.sleepfoundation.org/bedroom-environment/best-temperature-for-sleep https://www.sleepfoundation.org/bedroom-environment/best-tem... I'm going to continue running my AC at night when it's hot.
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  The entire world didn't have AC just a few decades ago and most people slept fine. If in less than a century of introducing a tech your body becomes so dependant to it it impairs a critical body function if you don't have it, yes, it's a handicap.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Well, another way I can sleep OK in most any condition (short of becoming badly sleep-deprived) is to get a ton of physical activity during the day. Wear myself right the hell out, so I'm dead-tired by sundown. I bet physical activity levels were way, way higher pre-AC, too.
    - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
      Indeed, and they were outside more, which means more exposed to the weather. Also food was different. I noticed that some food make my body temperature rise a lot, and that may play a role.
  - nradov 4y ago
    Actually people often didn't sleep fine at all. Or let's see some evidence that they did because I don't believe you. I know my own grandparents complained about being unable to sleep soundly during the summer when they lived in New York without AC.
    - BiteCode_dev 4y ago