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How did I assume that? It's identical to just handing your phone to someone with more willpower than you. Or shocker: you could just leave your phone at home w

How did I assume that? It's identical to just handing your phone to someone with more willpower than you. Or shocker: you could just leave your phone at home when you go on your trip. JFC why do people have to magnify this into something when it's literally nothing? Edit: comment above made a stealth edit where my comment now appears disjoint. I'll leave my comment as is other than this warning.

mlyle 4y ago
> It's identical to just handing your phone to someone with more willpower than you. It's not identical because the rest of the people surrounding you aren't in a low-internet or no-internet bubble. I love the internet. I also like to unplug, and it's really annoying to unplug and then have a few people not bought into the idea around you.
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  So go on a cruise where that's the prearranged theme. Like seriously, there is no problem here, no tragedy. When I hear what you're saying it's roughly equivalent to "I wish I could go out to bars and talk to people who don't have TV" about 2 decades ago. It's preposterous to assert this is some big deal, or that you don't have your own agency to create an unplugged environment with like minded people if you like.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    > So go on a cruise where that's the prearranged theme. The person you lambasted had said this: > it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk I saw the comment in that minute before you responded-- this was in it. Further, there were cousin comments articulating the same view. You're not being very kind. > When I hear what you're saying it's roughly equivalent to "I wish I could go out to bars and talk to people who don't have TV" about 2 decades ago. Here it's more like "I wish I could go to a bar somewhere near me without a TV blaring".
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  Just because you don't want <X> does not mean you get to demand everyone else also does not get <X>. You want to be disconnected from the internet? Great, more power to you. You want those around you to also be disconnected from the internet? In the most sincere way possible, fuck you. If you can't fight the urge to bust out an internet client upon seeing someone else mess with one, that's a You problem and specifically a lack of self-discipline. Unless you literally own the cruise ship and you are literally the law onboard as captain/owner of the ship, nobody has to accomodate your lack of self-discipline. Of course, if you want help resolving your lack of self-discipline that's a different story, and I'm sure many folks would be happy to give you advice on that front.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    > Unless you literally own the cruise ship and you are literally the law onboard as captain/owner of the ship, nobody has to accomodate your lack of self-discipline. vs. What we're replying to: > As we enter the era of increased satellite connectivity, it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk. That would have nothing to do with the crew having access. And again, it's not my lack of non-discipline: it's me enjoying being in places where the other people I'm with are disconnected. I value disconnected experiences; if a quarter of people around me are nose-down in a phone, that devalues the experience for me a fair bit. There are likely decent markets for disconnected experiences.
    - Dalewyn 4y ago
      If you go on a cruise ship marketed to like-minded passengers like you, yeah, someone probably has proper authority to throw some complaints around. Namely whoever is the captain of the ship. The post I replied to (you) reads, in part, as follows: "I also like to unplug, and it's really annoying to unplug and then have a few people not bought into the idea around you." Absolutely, find cruise ships without internet connection if you're that deep into that sort of thing. Nobody's stopping you, nor is anyone stopping cruise lines from not providing internet. What I'm saying is: You don't get to just go on some cruise ship and then complain people around you don't act exactly like you. That is absurd.
1123581321 4y ago
You represented Internet on a cruise ship as an unqualified advancement in progress and appeared to be disgusted with anyone thinking otherwise. Also, I did not make a substantial edit, just a minor one for clarity. I can’t imagine you would’ve written something significantly different, after reading the whole chain.

mlyle 4y ago

> It's identical to just handing your phone to someone with more willpower than you. It's not identical because the rest of the people surrounding you aren't in a low-internet or no-internet bubble. I love the internet. I also like to unplug, and it's really annoying to unplug and then have a few people not bought into the idea around you.

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
So go on a cruise where that's the prearranged theme. Like seriously, there is no problem here, no tragedy. When I hear what you're saying it's roughly equivalent to "I wish I could go out to bars and talk to people who don't have TV" about 2 decades ago. It's preposterous to assert this is some big deal, or that you don't have your own agency to create an unplugged environment with like minded people if you like.
- mlyle 4y ago
  > So go on a cruise where that's the prearranged theme. The person you lambasted had said this: > it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk I saw the comment in that minute before you responded-- this was in it. Further, there were cousin comments articulating the same view. You're not being very kind. > When I hear what you're saying it's roughly equivalent to "I wish I could go out to bars and talk to people who don't have TV" about 2 decades ago. Here it's more like "I wish I could go to a bar somewhere near me without a TV blaring".
Dalewyn 4y ago
Just because you don't want <X> does not mean you get to demand everyone else also does not get <X>. You want to be disconnected from the internet? Great, more power to you. You want those around you to also be disconnected from the internet? In the most sincere way possible, fuck you. If you can't fight the urge to bust out an internet client upon seeing someone else mess with one, that's a You problem and specifically a lack of self-discipline. Unless you literally own the cruise ship and you are literally the law onboard as captain/owner of the ship, nobody has to accomodate your lack of self-discipline. Of course, if you want help resolving your lack of self-discipline that's a different story, and I'm sure many folks would be happy to give you advice on that front.
- mlyle 4y ago
  > Unless you literally own the cruise ship and you are literally the law onboard as captain/owner of the ship, nobody has to accomodate your lack of self-discipline. vs. What we're replying to: > As we enter the era of increased satellite connectivity, it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk. That would have nothing to do with the crew having access. And again, it's not my lack of non-discipline: it's me enjoying being in places where the other people I'm with are disconnected. I value disconnected experiences; if a quarter of people around me are nose-down in a phone, that devalues the experience for me a fair bit. There are likely decent markets for disconnected experiences.
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    If you go on a cruise ship marketed to like-minded passengers like you, yeah, someone probably has proper authority to throw some complaints around. Namely whoever is the captain of the ship. The post I replied to (you) reads, in part, as follows: "I also like to unplug, and it's really annoying to unplug and then have a few people not bought into the idea around you." Absolutely, find cruise ships without internet connection if you're that deep into that sort of thing. Nobody's stopping you, nor is anyone stopping cruise lines from not providing internet. What I'm saying is: You don't get to just go on some cruise ship and then complain people around you don't act exactly like you. That is absurd.

1123581321 4y ago

You represented Internet on a cruise ship as an unqualified advancement in progress and appeared to be disgusted with anyone thinking otherwise. Also, I did not make a substantial edit, just a minor one for clarity. I can’t imagine you would’ve written something significantly different, after reading the whole chain.