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Should we hold back the progress of the world, including something that's literally lifesaving in remote areas, because you don't have enough discipline to use

Should we hold back the progress of the world, including something that's literally lifesaving in remote areas, because you don't have enough discipline to use a power button? I am very, very, sick of this purely self aggrandizing "tragedy."

1123581321 4y ago
Try to see both sides of this rather than assuming no utility to the world from people intentionally entering an Internet-free zone for several days. As we enter the era of increased satellite connectivity, it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk. That would have nothing to do with the crew having access.
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  How did I assume that? It's identical to just handing your phone to someone with more willpower than you. Or shocker: you could just leave your phone at home when you go on your trip. JFC why do people have to magnify this into something when it's literally nothing? Edit: comment above made a stealth edit where my comment now appears disjoint. I'll leave my comment as is other than this warning.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    > It's identical to just handing your phone to someone with more willpower than you. It's not identical because the rest of the people surrounding you aren't in a low-internet or no-internet bubble. I love the internet. I also like to unplug, and it's really annoying to unplug and then have a few people not bought into the idea around you.
    - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
      So go on a cruise where that's the prearranged theme. Like seriously, there is no problem here, no tragedy. When I hear what you're saying it's roughly equivalent to "I wish I could go out to bars and talk to people who don't have TV" about 2 decades ago. It's preposterous to assert this is some big deal, or that you don't have your own agency to create an unplugged environment with like minded people if you like.
      - mlyle 4y ago
        > So go on a cruise where that's the prearranged theme. The person you lambasted had said this: > it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk I saw the comment in that minute before you responded-- this was in it. Further, there were cousin comments articulating the same view. You're not being very kind. > When I hear what you're saying it's roughly equivalent to "I wish I could go out to bars and talk to people who don't have TV" about 2 decades ago. Here it's more like "I wish I could go to a bar somewhere near me without a TV blaring".
    - Dalewyn 4y ago
      Just because you don't want <X> does not mean you get to demand everyone else also does not get <X>. You want to be disconnected from the internet? Great, more power to you. You want those around you to also be disconnected from the internet? In the most sincere way possible, fuck you. If you can't fight the urge to bust out an internet client upon seeing someone else mess with one, that's a You problem and specifically a lack of self-discipline. Unless you literally own the cruise ship and you are literally the law onboard as captain/owner of the ship, nobody has to accomodate your lack of self-discipline. Of course, if you want help resolving your lack of self-discipline that's a different story, and I'm sure many folks would be happy to give you advice on that front.
      - mlyle 4y ago
        > Unless you literally own the cruise ship and you are literally the law onboard as captain/owner of the ship, nobody has to accomodate your lack of self-discipline. vs. What we're replying to: > As we enter the era of increased satellite connectivity, it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk. That would have nothing to do with the crew having access. And again, it's not my lack of non-discipline: it's me enjoying being in places where the other people I'm with are disconnected. I value disconnected experiences; if a quarter of people around me are nose-down in a phone, that devalues the experience for me a fair bit. There are likely decent markets for disconnected experiences.
        Dalewyn 4y ago
        If you go on a cruise ship marketed to like-minded passengers like you, yeah, someone probably has proper authority to throw some complaints around. Namely whoever is the captain of the ship. The post I replied to (you) reads, in part, as follows: "I also like to unplug, and it's really annoying to unplug and then have a few people not bought into the idea around you." Absolutely, find cruise ships without internet connection if you're that deep into that sort of thing. Nobody's stopping you, nor is anyone stopping cruise lines from not providing internet. What I'm saying is: You don't get to just go on some cruise ship and then complain people around you don't act exactly like you. That is absurd.
  - 1123581321 4y ago
    You represented Internet on a cruise ship as an unqualified advancement in progress and appeared to be disgusted with anyone thinking otherwise. Also, I did not make a substantial edit, just a minor one for clarity. I can’t imagine you would’ve written something significantly different, after reading the whole chain.
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yosito 4y ago
First of all, I didn't say we should hold back progress. Just that I'm personally mourning the loss of disconnected spaces. Also, it's not an issue of self discipline when social norms dictate that everyone around me is using their phones, and expecting me to do so to interact with them. On a cruise ship there used to be no such expectation. No boss expecting me to be aware of new emails, no friends expecting me to respond to their Facebook invites if I want to come to their parties, no one at the bar expecting me to follow them on Instagram, and no restaurants asking me to scan their QR code if I want to eat. I don't know when the last time is you've tried to live for a week without a phone, but its become next to impossible unless you're in a protected environment like a cruise ship or a wilderness retreat.
- bergenty 4y ago
  What are you talking about? Just leave the phone at home and go outside. Tell your boss you don’t have coverage. There’s nothing to mourn here maybe besides your lack of really easy self discipline and frankly I’m having a hard time empathizing with or understanding it.
  - tuatoru 4y ago
    Better yet, tell your boss (and everyone else) you check for texts twice a day, and emails once a day, and respond with similar timeframes. If it's urgent, well, they know where you are. They can come and see you. They'll whinge at you for living in the 20th Century, but your stress levels will be down. Embrace the fact that no-one is irreplaceable, and train your understudies.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      If I'm on vacation, I'll tell my boss I'm on vacation. Maybe I'll skim work emails and even handle ones when I can do so quickly but I'm under no obligation to do so.
dang 4y ago
Attacking another user like this will get you banned here. Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and respectfully. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

1123581321 4y ago

Try to see both sides of this rather than assuming no utility to the world from people intentionally entering an Internet-free zone for several days. As we enter the era of increased satellite connectivity, it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk. That would have nothing to do with the crew having access.

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
How did I assume that? It's identical to just handing your phone to someone with more willpower than you. Or shocker: you could just leave your phone at home when you go on your trip. JFC why do people have to magnify this into something when it's literally nothing? Edit: comment above made a stealth edit where my comment now appears disjoint. I'll leave my comment as is other than this warning.
- mlyle 4y ago
  > It's identical to just handing your phone to someone with more willpower than you. It's not identical because the rest of the people surrounding you aren't in a low-internet or no-internet bubble. I love the internet. I also like to unplug, and it's really annoying to unplug and then have a few people not bought into the idea around you.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
    So go on a cruise where that's the prearranged theme. Like seriously, there is no problem here, no tragedy. When I hear what you're saying it's roughly equivalent to "I wish I could go out to bars and talk to people who don't have TV" about 2 decades ago. It's preposterous to assert this is some big deal, or that you don't have your own agency to create an unplugged environment with like minded people if you like.
    - mlyle 4y ago
      > So go on a cruise where that's the prearranged theme. The person you lambasted had said this: > it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk I saw the comment in that minute before you responded-- this was in it. Further, there were cousin comments articulating the same view. You're not being very kind. > When I hear what you're saying it's roughly equivalent to "I wish I could go out to bars and talk to people who don't have TV" about 2 decades ago. Here it's more like "I wish I could go to a bar somewhere near me without a TV blaring".
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    Just because you don't want <X> does not mean you get to demand everyone else also does not get <X>. You want to be disconnected from the internet? Great, more power to you. You want those around you to also be disconnected from the internet? In the most sincere way possible, fuck you. If you can't fight the urge to bust out an internet client upon seeing someone else mess with one, that's a You problem and specifically a lack of self-discipline. Unless you literally own the cruise ship and you are literally the law onboard as captain/owner of the ship, nobody has to accomodate your lack of self-discipline. Of course, if you want help resolving your lack of self-discipline that's a different story, and I'm sure many folks would be happy to give you advice on that front.
    - mlyle 4y ago
      > Unless you literally own the cruise ship and you are literally the law onboard as captain/owner of the ship, nobody has to accomodate your lack of self-discipline. vs. What we're replying to: > As we enter the era of increased satellite connectivity, it makes sense that some cruises would offer no Internet access to passengers as a perk. That would have nothing to do with the crew having access. And again, it's not my lack of non-discipline: it's me enjoying being in places where the other people I'm with are disconnected. I value disconnected experiences; if a quarter of people around me are nose-down in a phone, that devalues the experience for me a fair bit. There are likely decent markets for disconnected experiences.
      - Dalewyn 4y ago
        If you go on a cruise ship marketed to like-minded passengers like you, yeah, someone probably has proper authority to throw some complaints around. Namely whoever is the captain of the ship. The post I replied to (you) reads, in part, as follows: "I also like to unplug, and it's really annoying to unplug and then have a few people not bought into the idea around you." Absolutely, find cruise ships without internet connection if you're that deep into that sort of thing. Nobody's stopping you, nor is anyone stopping cruise lines from not providing internet. What I'm saying is: You don't get to just go on some cruise ship and then complain people around you don't act exactly like you. That is absurd.
- 1123581321 4y ago
  You represented Internet on a cruise ship as an unqualified advancement in progress and appeared to be disgusted with anyone thinking otherwise. Also, I did not make a substantial edit, just a minor one for clarity. I can’t imagine you would’ve written something significantly different, after reading the whole chain.

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yosito 4y ago

First of all, I didn't say we should hold back progress. Just that I'm personally mourning the loss of disconnected spaces. Also, it's not an issue of self discipline when social norms dictate that everyone around me is using their phones, and expecting me to do so to interact with them. On a cruise ship there used to be no such expectation. No boss expecting me to be aware of new emails, no friends expecting me to respond to their Facebook invites if I want to come to their parties, no one at the bar expecting me to follow them on Instagram, and no restaurants asking me to scan their QR code if I want to eat. I don't know when the last time is you've tried to live for a week without a phone, but its become next to impossible unless you're in a protected environment like a cruise ship or a wilderness retreat.

bergenty 4y ago
What are you talking about? Just leave the phone at home and go outside. Tell your boss you don’t have coverage. There’s nothing to mourn here maybe besides your lack of really easy self discipline and frankly I’m having a hard time empathizing with or understanding it.
- tuatoru 4y ago
  Better yet, tell your boss (and everyone else) you check for texts twice a day, and emails once a day, and respond with similar timeframes. If it's urgent, well, they know where you are. They can come and see you. They'll whinge at you for living in the 20th Century, but your stress levels will be down. Embrace the fact that no-one is irreplaceable, and train your understudies.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    If I'm on vacation, I'll tell my boss I'm on vacation. Maybe I'll skim work emails and even handle ones when I can do so quickly but I'm under no obligation to do so.

dang 4y ago

Attacking another user like this will get you banned here. Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and respectfully. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html