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I'd make the claim (without any real data), that the NHS has _such_ institutional power in the UK that it goes a long way to transcend any SEO shortfall it may

by hhmc 4y ago

I'd make the claim (without any real data), that the NHS has _such_ institutional power in the UK that it goes a long way to transcend any SEO shortfall it may have.

petepete 4y ago
It does. Google treats gov.uk and nhs.uk sites as authoritative sources and ranks accordingly. We typically pay no consideration to SEO on non-campaign sites. It doesn't stop ads from sneaking in above the results though. There's a whole industry of shady companies 'hijacking' and charging extra for free/cheap government services.
- biztos 4y ago
  What does "non-campaign" mean in this context?
  - petepete 4y ago
    The sites that sit on gov.uk are usually either: * transactional services - those that let a person do a task, like applying for a driving licence or registering a trademark * information services - a collection of guidance on a subject, like maximum working hours or data protection responsibilities There are some that don't really fall into either category and are there to advertise something. They aim to be informational and inspirational. Some examples: * https://helpforhouseholds.campaign.gov.uk/ https://helpforhouseholds.campaign.gov.uk/ * https://www.apprenticeships.gov.uk/ https://www.apprenticeships.gov.uk/ * https://national-security.campaign.gov.uk/ https://national-security.campaign.gov.uk/ * https://skillsforlife.campaign.gov.uk/ https://skillsforlife.campaign.gov.uk/ The reason SEO is more important on these is that there's often competition. For example, if I search for 'teach in uk' the Get Into Teaching campaign site will be competing with lots of teacher training colleges and companies, job sites, etc.
    - lupire 4y ago
      Why don't you use SEO on your non-campaign transactional and info sites? Those are the ones that need protection from fee scammers. It seems you've got it exactly backwards.
      - nicoburns 4y ago
        SEO is what the scammers use. When Google prioritises an authoritative page, that’s making SEO less important.
        petepete 4y ago
        This. The major risk isn't losing to SEO, it's that the shady operators pay for ads that appear above search results. Lots of people don't realise they're ads and not the official service. Google didn't really do much to combat it until the law was changed a year or two ago.
        lupire 4y ago
        No, that's "black hat SEO". Google has a support article with SEO advice: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/7451184?hl=en/ https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/7451184?hl=en/
nicoburns 4y ago
The NHS definitely does rank highly in the UK. Not sure if it ranks above web md, but they’re usually both in the top 5 results if they have a relevant page.
- IshKebab 4y ago
  It pretty much always ranks above WebMD in the UK. WebMD has a very low rank for me. Mayo Clinic is the site that I normally see tussling for the top spot with the NHS. Some examples randomly plucked from my brain: 1. Vitiligo: NHS: 1, Mayo Clinic: 2, WebMD: 7 2. Bronchiolitis: NHS 1, Mayo Clinic 2, WebMD: 9 (on the second page!) 3. Appendicitis: NHS 1, Mayo Clinic 2, WebMD: 3 4. Myopia: Mayo Clinic 1, WebMD 2, NHS: 3 5. Gastroenteritis: NHS Inform (never seen this before?) 1, WebMD: 2, Mayo Clinic 3, NHS: 4 6. Hodgkin's disease: Mayo Clinic 1, NHS: 2, WebMD: 5

by hhmc 4y ago

I'd make the claim (without any real data), that the NHS has _such_ institutional power in the UK that it goes a long way to transcend any SEO shortfall it may have.

petepete 4y ago

It does. Google treats gov.uk and nhs.uk sites as authoritative sources and ranks accordingly. We typically pay no consideration to SEO on non-campaign sites. It doesn't stop ads from sneaking in above the results though. There's a whole industry of shady companies 'hijacking' and charging extra for free/cheap government services.

biztos 4y ago
What does "non-campaign" mean in this context?
- petepete 4y ago
  The sites that sit on gov.uk are usually either: * transactional services - those that let a person do a task, like applying for a driving licence or registering a trademark * information services - a collection of guidance on a subject, like maximum working hours or data protection responsibilities There are some that don't really fall into either category and are there to advertise something. They aim to be informational and inspirational. Some examples: * https://helpforhouseholds.campaign.gov.uk/ https://helpforhouseholds.campaign.gov.uk/ * https://www.apprenticeships.gov.uk/ https://www.apprenticeships.gov.uk/ * https://national-security.campaign.gov.uk/ https://national-security.campaign.gov.uk/ * https://skillsforlife.campaign.gov.uk/ https://skillsforlife.campaign.gov.uk/ The reason SEO is more important on these is that there's often competition. For example, if I search for 'teach in uk' the Get Into Teaching campaign site will be competing with lots of teacher training colleges and companies, job sites, etc.
  - lupire 4y ago
    Why don't you use SEO on your non-campaign transactional and info sites? Those are the ones that need protection from fee scammers. It seems you've got it exactly backwards.
    - nicoburns 4y ago
      SEO is what the scammers use. When Google prioritises an authoritative page, that’s making SEO less important.
      - petepete 4y ago
        This. The major risk isn't losing to SEO, it's that the shady operators pay for ads that appear above search results. Lots of people don't realise they're ads and not the official service. Google didn't really do much to combat it until the law was changed a year or two ago.
      - lupire 4y ago
        No, that's "black hat SEO". Google has a support article with SEO advice: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/7451184?hl=en/ https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/7451184?hl=en/

nicoburns 4y ago

The NHS definitely does rank highly in the UK. Not sure if it ranks above web md, but they’re usually both in the top 5 results if they have a relevant page.

IshKebab 4y ago
It pretty much always ranks above WebMD in the UK. WebMD has a very low rank for me. Mayo Clinic is the site that I normally see tussling for the top spot with the NHS. Some examples randomly plucked from my brain: 1. Vitiligo: NHS: 1, Mayo Clinic: 2, WebMD: 7 2. Bronchiolitis: NHS 1, Mayo Clinic 2, WebMD: 9 (on the second page!) 3. Appendicitis: NHS 1, Mayo Clinic 2, WebMD: 3 4. Myopia: Mayo Clinic 1, WebMD 2, NHS: 3 5. Gastroenteritis: NHS Inform (never seen this before?) 1, WebMD: 2, Mayo Clinic 3, NHS: 4 6. Hodgkin's disease: Mayo Clinic 1, NHS: 2, WebMD: 5