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The zoolander reference was brilliant. A lot of the criticism of Rogan reduces to "the wrong kind of people" getting wealthy, asking questions, having opinions,
by motohagiography 4y ago
The zoolander reference was brilliant. A lot of the criticism of Rogan reduces to "the wrong kind of people" getting wealthy, asking questions, having opinions, leading conversations.
The Zuckerberg interview he did was probably the most important interview of the last few years, and to go 3hrs with anyone with a calm and consistent interest and disposition is a direct result of his level of physical fitness and world class expertise as both a comedian and martial artist.
There is a mind required for comedy that is transferrable where instead of making people laugh, you can use it to disarm people and get them to open up and share what they believe. Rogan's interview style is very closely related to comedy but just slowed down to a Tai Chi level, where there is an arc in the discussion where most people run out of neurotic energy after about an hour, and then instead of gotcha'ing them, he is just accepting, and then nudges them toward challenges, but not to catch them out, but to get them to be honest. The effect is beautiful.
There is a lot of middlebrow anxiety about him, but I don't think it has standing unless it's from someone who is also pro-level funny, fit, and competent in their discipline.
- adammarples 4y agoI like Joe Rogan but calling him a world class comedian and martial artist is not right. He doesn't compete in BJJ and he always was a middling comedian.
- Happos 4y agoYou’re not wrong, but Georges St-Pierre says Joe has the best turning side kick he has ever seen, and that’s gotta count for something.
- motohagiography 4y agoIndeed, and they hand out Netflix specials to anyone who can fog a mirror these days so it's probably not a useful measure... Maybe I should just do one.
- Happos 4y agoIndeed. Just remember to keep your knee high - that’s where the power comes from.
- purpleblue 4y agoHe sold out Madison Square Gardens and headlines along with Dave Chappelle. He's not one of the top comedians of all time in my opinion (Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock Louis CK, Bill Burr), but he is wildly successful for a comedian. He was a state champion in Tae Kwon Do when he was younger and is a black belt in BJJ. He's very experienced in multiple types of martial arts. He doesn't compete because he's 54 years old but he still trains every day.
- ethbr0 4y ago> top comedians of all time in my opinion (Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock Louis CK, Bill Burr) Statistically, "of all time" should probably include some dead people...
- purpleblue 4y agoI said it was my opinion. Feel free to disagree with our own opinions.
- greenhearth 4y agoYour GOAT comedians list needs some work.
- freejazz 4y agoHave you watched his standup?
- purpleblue 4y agoYes. He's okay. I've seen worse. I've seen better. I would consider him a second tier comic but he is indisputably very successful.
- purple_ferret 4y ago>The Zuckerberg interview he did was probably the most important interview of the last few years, You mean of all interviews done anywhere? Surely, that's hyperbole. What exactly came out of that interview that's worth noting other than that Facebook throttled a Hunter Biden story (which we already knew had been done across social media platforms)
- rospaya 4y ago> The Zuckerberg interview he did was probably the most important interview of the last few years, and to go 3hrs with anyone with a calm and consistent interest and disposition is a direct result of his level of physical fitness and world class expertise as both a comedian and martial artist. You should think about the tens of thousands of journalists who have done the same thing for a hundred years without being fit, comedians or kickboxers or whatever. The whole comment reads like idolatry.
- motohagiography 4y agoTo be able to do a 3hr interview without neuroticism requires stamina that you can only learn by having become very good at something with practice. When you look at journalists who can't do that without centering the conversation back on themselves or using confrontation, it's pretty clear that competence in a physical discipline makes the difference. Interesting comparison to journalists though. Who would be a peer as an interviewer? Maybe George Plimpton, Christine Amanpour, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, or Dominick Dunne? Personally, I respect physical competence, techne over episteme, experiment over theory, performance over criticism, predictive power over post-hoc explanation, etc. It's more of an orientation than an idolatry.
- flycaliguy 4y agoHoward Stern. I wish Rogan had his level of intelligence and insight into the human mind. Howard is also much funnier and knows how to keep a show from turning into a sleeping aid. No matter how hard you practice, you can’t fake funny.
- programmarchy 4y agoHardly. Howard Stern gets views by shocking his audience. He's raunchy and sadistic, either asking people about their personal sex lives, or bringing on a disabled person in order to humiliate them. He's not pursuing any intellectual aims. There's no comparing what Stern and Rogan are doing.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
- kahrl 4y agoThis is literally the "Well, what color is YOUR Bugatti?" defense of Andrew Tate spouted by teenagers.
- standardUser 4y agoAn impressive combination of gate-keeping and fanboyism that I think perfectly illustrates why so many people dislike Rogan and his devotees. God forbid someone "without standing" dare to criticize the man himself, right? Especially if they aren't as (checks notes)... fit as him?
- lake_vincent 4y agoWell said, I agree. According to the parent comment, in order to criticize Joe Rogan, I have to "get on his level" first. Got it. Brb, gonna go do some whipits.
- madeofpalk 4y agoIs this satire?
- filmgirlcw 4y agoLook, I don't have a problem with Rogan (I grew up watching NewsRadio and Fear Factor), but this isn't even the best interview with Zuckerberg. That would be when Kara Swisher and Walt Mossberg interviewed him at the D Conference back in 2010 and he sweat through his hoodie. And no, they weren't even challenging him or pushing back on him super hard -- he was just that unable to answer basic questions about privacy. Swisher has had him on her podcast multiple times since then and also had very good, very substantive interviews with him. Side note: Zuck has clearly invested many, many, many hours in media training over the last decade or so and it has paid off. He's still far from a good speaker but he's so much better, it's honestly impressive.
- philwelch 4y agoI guess it’s a matter of opinion whether or not making people sweat is the mark of a good interview.
- ryanisnan 4y agoWhen the person in the hot-seat is in direct control over a platform that can influence major world events, yeah, I think so?
- philwelch 4y agoThere’s value to confrontational interviews, but not every interview or interviewer needs to be confrontational.
- Cederfjard 4y agoPerhaps when the subject is that powerful, they do?
- oswald42 4y agoPerhaps for you, but perhaps you also have a massive chip on your shoulder
- nix0n 4y ago> The Zuckerberg interview he did was probably the most important interview of the last few years Why is this the first I'm hearing of it? It didn't seem to have any effect on how Facebook operates.
- wrycoder 4y agoI found Jordan Peterson‘s interview of Joe Rogan to be quite interesting and even poignant.
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