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I'm not trying to troll, I'm genuinely curious: 'Search your possession' and 'Copy your cellphone contents' if you were pulled over for going to fast with a car

I'm not trying to troll, I'm genuinely curious: 'Search your possession' and 'Copy your cellphone contents' if you were pulled over for going to fast with a car are hyperbole and doomsday scenarios, right? This isn't actually reality?

buff-a 15y ago
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-11/tech/tech_mobile_california-phone-search-veto_1_cell-phones-smartphone-text-messages?_s=PM:TECH http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-11/tech/tech_mobile_californ... California Gov. Jerry Brown has vetoed a bill that would have prohibited police in that state from conducting warrantless searches of the cell phones of people under arrest. "This measure would overturn a California Supreme Court decision that held that police officers can lawfully search the cell phones of people who they arrest," the governor's brief statement said. "The courts are better suited to resolve the complex and case-specific issues relating to constitutional search-and-seizures protections." The courts said "there's no law against, so its ok". So California made a law against it. So the governor vetoed it because the courts had said it was ok. Police state much?
ck2 15y ago
All they have to do is say they smell drugs or alcohol. Then they can search your car, bring in a drug dog and give it a fake trigger. I don't even drink, forget drugs, and I've actually been stopped and searched while riding my bicycle down my street several years ago at night. Granted it's a bad area but still. Right now around the world they are showing footage of cops using heavy duty military grade weapons meant for riots - against peaceful protesters - and you are questioning police overreacting and overreaching without an ounce of fear for their jobs?
- darklajid 15y ago
  Whoa. Nevermind the stupid drink/drug thing [1], but being pulled over on a bike and searched would be the day I'd give up, I guess. At least in DE this is, in my experience and my social circles, totally unheard of and unbelievable. 1: There are tests for alcohol/drugs. For drugs they _might_ search your car if there's a reasonable doubt, but so far I only know about these controls near borders, especially to NL: It's just easy/legal to get weed there and the customs police (?) isn't stupid and watching for ~interesting~ cars crossing over. I've never heard of searches related to alcohol. If there's any indication that you had alcohol you might have to do the breath test. If you fail that or don't want to do that, then it's off to the police station for a blood test. No need to search you or your car, and damn certainly not your mobile?
  - sneak 15y ago
    As someone who left all of his friends and family and connections behind in the USA when it became a police state and moved to Germany, I can tell you with certainty that it really is that bad there.
    - RyanHolliday 15y ago
      I'd like to point out the hypocrisy of holding Germany up as a bright and shining alternative[1]. Regardless of what you think about the state of government in the US, nothing you say about the Holocaust here will you get imprisoned. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Germany http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#G...
      - icebraining 15y ago
        Of course, those laws were actually first imposed by the US military after WWII: The Information Control Division of the U.S. Army had by July 1946 taken control of 37 German newspapers, 6 radio stations, 314 theaters, 642 cinemas, 101 magazines, 237 book publishers, and 7,384 book dealers and printers. Its main mission was democratization but the agenda also included the prohibition on any criticism of the Allied occupation forces. In addition, on May 13, 1946 the Allied Control council issued a directive for the confiscation of all media that could contribute to Nazism or militarism. As a consequence a list was drawn up of over 30,000 book titles, ranging from school textbooks to poetry, which were now banned. All copies of books on the list were confiscated and destroyed; the possession of a book on the list was made a punishable offense. All the millions of copies of these books were to be confiscated and destroyed. The representative of the Military Directorate admitted that the order was in principle no different from the Nazi book burnings. The censorship in the U.S. zone was regulated by the occupation directive JCS 1067 (valid until July 1947) and in the May 1946 order valid for all zones (rescinded in 1950), Allied Control Authority Order No. 4, "No. 4 - Confiscation of Literature and Material of a Nazi and Militarist Nature". All confiscated literature was reduced to pulp instead of burning. It was also directed by Directive No. 30, "Liquidation of German Military and Nazi Memorials and Museums." An exception was made for tombstones "erected at the places where members of regular formations died on the field of battle." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Federal_Repu...
yardie 15y ago
Yes and yes. Once they pull you over some people are bothered more by the inconvenience of being pulled over than they are by the rights they give up. One of my friends allowed the police to search his car because he didn't want to wait for the drug dog. He got out of the ticket by cooperating, but what if they said they found something? By not cooperating I got a range of tickets: live in this city but don't have a city parking sticker, don't have a safety inspection sticker, have the wrong type of insurance coverage. This was after the original reason he pulled me over (not speeding) didn't pan out. All of this because I wouldn't allow him search my car without a warrant. Also, different states have different interpretations on cellphone contents. California, (normally quite liberal) just has a shitty interpretation of the law.
matwood 15y ago
You've obviously never been harassed by the police. I was driving home from a late night study session in college and was pulled over. I was completely sober, and knew I had done nothing improper. The cop told me I touched the white line and I told him no I didn't. Then he proceeded to interrogate me about where I had been, where I was going, etc... After a few minutes of this charade I told him either write me a ticket for something I didn't do or let me go because I needed to get to sleep for an exam the next day. He then told me that he could keep there all night while waiting for a warrant to search my car, so I might as well let him search it. At this point, I really needed to get this done with so told him to get ahead. I had a small cab pickup truck at the time and figured this shouldn't take too long. Him and his partner then took all of my stuff out of my car and placed it on the hood. They found a small pocket knife under my seat and tried to make a big deal about 'you said there were no weapons'. Yeah, okay. So, after all that and almost 2 hours of my time they got in their car and drove off leaving me to clean up all my stuff in the dark that's now sitting on the hood of my car. This incident (and yes, I have others) happened over 10 years ago, and it's apparently only gotten worse. So yes, what was said is a reality.
- TruthElixirX 15y ago
  Man, that pisses me off when they rip apart your car and then leave all your shit just sitting outside. They threw my laptop on the ground once, almost broke it, cracked the hinge. I had nothing on me, I don't do anything. But they ripped the shit out of my car. Had the drug dog crawl all over my god damn seats with its muddy paws. fuck those guys.

buff-a 15y ago

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-11/tech/tech_mobile_california-phone-search-veto_1_cell-phones-smartphone-text-messages?_s=PM:TECH http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-11/tech/tech_mobile_californ... California Gov. Jerry Brown has vetoed a bill that would have prohibited police in that state from conducting warrantless searches of the cell phones of people under arrest. "This measure would overturn a California Supreme Court decision that held that police officers can lawfully search the cell phones of people who they arrest," the governor's brief statement said. "The courts are better suited to resolve the complex and case-specific issues relating to constitutional search-and-seizures protections." The courts said "there's no law against, so its ok". So California made a law against it. So the governor vetoed it because the courts had said it was ok. Police state much?

ck2 15y ago

All they have to do is say they smell drugs or alcohol. Then they can search your car, bring in a drug dog and give it a fake trigger. I don't even drink, forget drugs, and I've actually been stopped and searched while riding my bicycle down my street several years ago at night. Granted it's a bad area but still. Right now around the world they are showing footage of cops using heavy duty military grade weapons meant for riots - against peaceful protesters - and you are questioning police overreacting and overreaching without an ounce of fear for their jobs?

darklajid 15y ago
Whoa. Nevermind the stupid drink/drug thing [1], but being pulled over on a bike and searched would be the day I'd give up, I guess. At least in DE this is, in my experience and my social circles, totally unheard of and unbelievable. 1: There are tests for alcohol/drugs. For drugs they _might_ search your car if there's a reasonable doubt, but so far I only know about these controls near borders, especially to NL: It's just easy/legal to get weed there and the customs police (?) isn't stupid and watching for ~interesting~ cars crossing over. I've never heard of searches related to alcohol. If there's any indication that you had alcohol you might have to do the breath test. If you fail that or don't want to do that, then it's off to the police station for a blood test. No need to search you or your car, and damn certainly not your mobile?
- sneak 15y ago
  As someone who left all of his friends and family and connections behind in the USA when it became a police state and moved to Germany, I can tell you with certainty that it really is that bad there.
  - RyanHolliday 15y ago
    I'd like to point out the hypocrisy of holding Germany up as a bright and shining alternative[1]. Regardless of what you think about the state of government in the US, nothing you say about the Holocaust here will you get imprisoned. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Germany http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#G...
    - icebraining 15y ago
      Of course, those laws were actually first imposed by the US military after WWII: The Information Control Division of the U.S. Army had by July 1946 taken control of 37 German newspapers, 6 radio stations, 314 theaters, 642 cinemas, 101 magazines, 237 book publishers, and 7,384 book dealers and printers. Its main mission was democratization but the agenda also included the prohibition on any criticism of the Allied occupation forces. In addition, on May 13, 1946 the Allied Control council issued a directive for the confiscation of all media that could contribute to Nazism or militarism. As a consequence a list was drawn up of over 30,000 book titles, ranging from school textbooks to poetry, which were now banned. All copies of books on the list were confiscated and destroyed; the possession of a book on the list was made a punishable offense. All the millions of copies of these books were to be confiscated and destroyed. The representative of the Military Directorate admitted that the order was in principle no different from the Nazi book burnings. The censorship in the U.S. zone was regulated by the occupation directive JCS 1067 (valid until July 1947) and in the May 1946 order valid for all zones (rescinded in 1950), Allied Control Authority Order No. 4, "No. 4 - Confiscation of Literature and Material of a Nazi and Militarist Nature". All confiscated literature was reduced to pulp instead of burning. It was also directed by Directive No. 30, "Liquidation of German Military and Nazi Memorials and Museums." An exception was made for tombstones "erected at the places where members of regular formations died on the field of battle." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Federal_Repu...

yardie 15y ago

Yes and yes. Once they pull you over some people are bothered more by the inconvenience of being pulled over than they are by the rights they give up. One of my friends allowed the police to search his car because he didn't want to wait for the drug dog. He got out of the ticket by cooperating, but what if they said they found something? By not cooperating I got a range of tickets: live in this city but don't have a city parking sticker, don't have a safety inspection sticker, have the wrong type of insurance coverage. This was after the original reason he pulled me over (not speeding) didn't pan out. All of this because I wouldn't allow him search my car without a warrant. Also, different states have different interpretations on cellphone contents. California, (normally quite liberal) just has a shitty interpretation of the law.

matwood 15y ago

You've obviously never been harassed by the police. I was driving home from a late night study session in college and was pulled over. I was completely sober, and knew I had done nothing improper. The cop told me I touched the white line and I told him no I didn't. Then he proceeded to interrogate me about where I had been, where I was going, etc... After a few minutes of this charade I told him either write me a ticket for something I didn't do or let me go because I needed to get to sleep for an exam the next day. He then told me that he could keep there all night while waiting for a warrant to search my car, so I might as well let him search it. At this point, I really needed to get this done with so told him to get ahead. I had a small cab pickup truck at the time and figured this shouldn't take too long. Him and his partner then took all of my stuff out of my car and placed it on the hood. They found a small pocket knife under my seat and tried to make a big deal about 'you said there were no weapons'. Yeah, okay. So, after all that and almost 2 hours of my time they got in their car and drove off leaving me to clean up all my stuff in the dark that's now sitting on the hood of my car. This incident (and yes, I have others) happened over 10 years ago, and it's apparently only gotten worse. So yes, what was said is a reality.

TruthElixirX 15y ago
Man, that pisses me off when they rip apart your car and then leave all your shit just sitting outside. They threw my laptop on the ground once, almost broke it, cracked the hinge. I had nothing on me, I don't do anything. But they ripped the shit out of my car. Had the drug dog crawl all over my god damn seats with its muddy paws. fuck those guys.