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>But people have this weird way of taking things they like and not only rejecting criticism but making it their whole identity. Joe can do no wrong and if peopl

by evv555 4y ago

>But people have this weird way of taking things they like and not only rejecting criticism but making it their whole identity. Joe can do no wrong and if people dislike him it's because they don't "get it" and they are just being soft. I see what you're getting at but I think you're putting the cart before the horse here. JRE has become a highly politicized target and criticism(or praise) of the show is a proxy narrative for half-dozen other issues. This is just more identity politics spilling over into more facets of our lives. >Joe also likes to deflect by saying "I'm an idiot don't listen to me" which hey that's fine but if you're going to ramble about how the moon is made of cheese then say "don't listen to me" but then bring on a guest who is going to talk about how the moon is made of cheese; the line that is being pushed is pretty clear even if it is unintentional. I think the diversity of perspectives is a valuable part of the show. But it's a balancing act with many pitfalls.

threeseed 4y ago
> JRE has become a highly politicized target He has deliberately made it that way because it is highly profitable for him.
- WithinReason 4y ago
  So then why did he reject Trump when he wanted to come on the podcast?
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    All downside, no upside. It wouldn't boost his popularity, but would open him up to new levels of criticism.
    - WithinReason 4y ago
      It would boost his popularity with half the country, and he would get an insane amount of views on the interview. All upside no downside.
      - adamrezich 4y ago
        the other half of the country (world?) would hate Rogan for having Trump on. imagine if they agreed on anything. imagine if they made each other laugh. the "you're giving a platform for HATE" rhetoric would be deployed in full gear. Rogan would undoubtedly ask tough questions, but no matter what he were to ask, it would never be "tough enough" for many. I'm not a big JRE guy but I would be very interested in watching a Trump episode of the show—however, I think Rogan made the right choice by not opening that can of worms. at least, at this point in time.
      - chasd00 4y ago
        > It would boost his popularity with half the country idk, i feel like the majority of trump supporters already listen to JRE. Those that don't support Trump would hate Joe giving Trump the time of day and therefore risk losing those listeners while gaining none. I don't see an upside to Trump being on JRE.
        weberer 4y ago
        That's a pretty large estimate. I'd be surprised if even 10% of Americans even listen to podcasts at all.
        wyclif 4y ago
        I doubt there's as much crossover as you think. I really don't see any evidence that a lot of MAGAts are JRE listeners.
  - purple_ferret 4y ago
    He said he'd have Trump on prior to the election (with no pre-screen questions, which the Trump team wouldn't agree to). Post Jan 6, Trump is a pariah for anyone not running in a Republican primary.
rocqua 4y ago
> This is just more identity politics spilling over into more facets of our lives. Could you elaborate what you mean? Especially the term 'identity politics' feels like it is charged and in danger of being mis-interpreted.
- evv555 4y ago
  The trend of people forming deep tribal identity around political affiliations and institutions. Speech then is first and foremost performative signaling of your in-group affiliation to the good group or the evil group. At least that's the lense any speech or action is looked at within identity politics.
  - powerhour 4y ago
    You say trend like it is a recent phenomenon and not something that has been happening for centuries if not millennia.
    - kranke155 4y ago
      That’s true. Identity politics is just a new name for it, but we did use to burn people at the stake for the same reason.
    - adamrezich 4y ago
      it would be dishonest to ignore the fact that "contemporary identity politics" kicked fully into gear as a direct response to #Occupy—and its objective was & continues to be successful
      - powerhour 4y ago
        Contemporary identity politics are at least in part a response to the contemporary "occupy" movements, sure, and that's pretty much by definition.
  - rocqua 4y ago
    Thanks for that clear explanation!

by evv555 4y ago

threeseed 4y ago

> JRE has become a highly politicized target He has deliberately made it that way because it is highly profitable for him.

WithinReason 4y ago
So then why did he reject Trump when he wanted to come on the podcast?
- pwinnski 4y ago
  All downside, no upside. It wouldn't boost his popularity, but would open him up to new levels of criticism.
  - WithinReason 4y ago
    It would boost his popularity with half the country, and he would get an insane amount of views on the interview. All upside no downside.
    - adamrezich 4y ago
      the other half of the country (world?) would hate Rogan for having Trump on. imagine if they agreed on anything. imagine if they made each other laugh. the "you're giving a platform for HATE" rhetoric would be deployed in full gear. Rogan would undoubtedly ask tough questions, but no matter what he were to ask, it would never be "tough enough" for many. I'm not a big JRE guy but I would be very interested in watching a Trump episode of the show—however, I think Rogan made the right choice by not opening that can of worms. at least, at this point in time.
    - chasd00 4y ago
      > It would boost his popularity with half the country idk, i feel like the majority of trump supporters already listen to JRE. Those that don't support Trump would hate Joe giving Trump the time of day and therefore risk losing those listeners while gaining none. I don't see an upside to Trump being on JRE.
      - weberer 4y ago
        That's a pretty large estimate. I'd be surprised if even 10% of Americans even listen to podcasts at all.
      - wyclif 4y ago
        I doubt there's as much crossover as you think. I really don't see any evidence that a lot of MAGAts are JRE listeners.
- purple_ferret 4y ago
  He said he'd have Trump on prior to the election (with no pre-screen questions, which the Trump team wouldn't agree to). Post Jan 6, Trump is a pariah for anyone not running in a Republican primary.

rocqua 4y ago

> This is just more identity politics spilling over into more facets of our lives. Could you elaborate what you mean? Especially the term 'identity politics' feels like it is charged and in danger of being mis-interpreted.

evv555 4y ago
The trend of people forming deep tribal identity around political affiliations and institutions. Speech then is first and foremost performative signaling of your in-group affiliation to the good group or the evil group. At least that's the lense any speech or action is looked at within identity politics.
- powerhour 4y ago
  You say trend like it is a recent phenomenon and not something that has been happening for centuries if not millennia.
  - kranke155 4y ago
    That’s true. Identity politics is just a new name for it, but we did use to burn people at the stake for the same reason.
  - adamrezich 4y ago
    it would be dishonest to ignore the fact that "contemporary identity politics" kicked fully into gear as a direct response to #Occupy—and its objective was & continues to be successful
    - powerhour 4y ago
      Contemporary identity politics are at least in part a response to the contemporary "occupy" movements, sure, and that's pretty much by definition.
- rocqua 4y ago
  Thanks for that clear explanation!