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>And this is what passes for AI? Autopilot is kind of a scam. Marketing and economic pixie dust from Elon over a basic camera lane assist system to make sure T

>And this is what passes for AI? Autopilot is kind of a scam. Marketing and economic pixie dust from Elon over a basic camera lane assist system to make sure Teslas attract customers and hold their prestige and value. But no, FSD is perpetually 6 months around the corner for him.

d_tr 4y ago
I do not know what buyers actually expect, but the phrase "FSD Beta" should sound very stupid to anyone with half a brain. It means that it almost drives like a human or better and it needs a bit of polishing. It is not only false, it is irresponsible too in this context.
jqpabc123 4y ago
Autopilot is kind of a scam. AI is kind of a scam --- and autopilot is just one example. FSD is perpetually 6 months around the corner for him. And will probably remain so for decades to come.
- Hellion 4y ago
  “AI” is not a scam, but it’s a very wide term that people abuse. The self driving software packages that work, the Cruze and Waymos and Mercedes of the world, are in limited careful rollout. These companies and teams want to make sure it’s safe and robust before entering mass market adoption. Tesla is one of the weakest and most immature offerings of the major players, and it has been given the widest distribution. It is utterly frustrating.
  - jqpabc123 4y ago
    "AI” is not a scam, but it’s a very wide term that people abuse. The abuse starts with using the phrase "artificial intelligence".
    - kadoban 4y ago
      If it's a scam, it's a really old one. It's been called AI since the state-of-the-art was a few "if" statements chained together.
      - jqpabc123 4y ago
        It's an oldie but goodie --- but still a scam. Selling what we call a computer as "intelligent" is like selling a DVD player as "creative" for it's ability to produce video. They are both just play back devices --- reproducing the work of others. Useful for sure but no more "intelligent" or "creative" than a hammer.
        kadoban 4y ago
        What would you call the field of Artificial Intelligence then? I can't think of anything.
        jqpabc123 4y ago
        Pattern Recognition? Automated Learning? Adaptive Software?
        jqpabc123 4y ago
        A new one that I'm kinda fond of --- Probabilistic Programming. Any answer that "AI" provides has no assurance of correctness. It's up to you to judge if the probability is acceptable. Do you really want to trust a self driving vehicle that misinterprets it's environment 20% of the time?
        kadoban 4y ago
        That's not a property of all AI techniques though, so calling the whole field by that seems very misleading.
parkingrift 4y ago
Autopilot is just a marketing name for assisted cruise control. I think a majority of new cars have assisted cruise control at this point. My 2019 CRV has it. Full self driving is the scam. And it goes up in price to $15,000 next week. It’s almost comical to imagine even one single person buying that.

d_tr 4y ago

I do not know what buyers actually expect, but the phrase "FSD Beta" should sound very stupid to anyone with half a brain. It means that it almost drives like a human or better and it needs a bit of polishing. It is not only false, it is irresponsible too in this context.

jqpabc123 4y ago

Autopilot is kind of a scam. AI is kind of a scam --- and autopilot is just one example. FSD is perpetually 6 months around the corner for him. And will probably remain so for decades to come.

Hellion 4y ago
“AI” is not a scam, but it’s a very wide term that people abuse. The self driving software packages that work, the Cruze and Waymos and Mercedes of the world, are in limited careful rollout. These companies and teams want to make sure it’s safe and robust before entering mass market adoption. Tesla is one of the weakest and most immature offerings of the major players, and it has been given the widest distribution. It is utterly frustrating.
- jqpabc123 4y ago
  "AI” is not a scam, but it’s a very wide term that people abuse. The abuse starts with using the phrase "artificial intelligence".
  - kadoban 4y ago
    If it's a scam, it's a really old one. It's been called AI since the state-of-the-art was a few "if" statements chained together.
    - jqpabc123 4y ago
      It's an oldie but goodie --- but still a scam. Selling what we call a computer as "intelligent" is like selling a DVD player as "creative" for it's ability to produce video. They are both just play back devices --- reproducing the work of others. Useful for sure but no more "intelligent" or "creative" than a hammer.
      - kadoban 4y ago
        What would you call the field of Artificial Intelligence then? I can't think of anything.
        jqpabc123 4y ago
        Pattern Recognition? Automated Learning? Adaptive Software?
        jqpabc123 4y ago
        A new one that I'm kinda fond of --- Probabilistic Programming. Any answer that "AI" provides has no assurance of correctness. It's up to you to judge if the probability is acceptable. Do you really want to trust a self driving vehicle that misinterprets it's environment 20% of the time?
        kadoban 4y ago
        That's not a property of all AI techniques though, so calling the whole field by that seems very misleading.

parkingrift 4y ago

Autopilot is just a marketing name for assisted cruise control. I think a majority of new cars have assisted cruise control at this point. My 2019 CRV has it. Full self driving is the scam. And it goes up in price to $15,000 next week. It’s almost comical to imagine even one single person buying that.