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You’re really not making a strong argument by invoking the German example. The things that they forbid are mainly glorification of a most shameful regime. Holoc

by tgv 4y ago

You’re really not making a strong argument by invoking the German example. The things that they forbid are mainly glorification of a most shameful regime. Holocaust denial comes to mind. Good riddance, I say.

danjoredd 4y ago
I think its less holocaust and more pornography these days. That and violent video games are heavily censored for nonpolitical reasons like gore, nudity, etc. I am glad they censor the holocaust glorification, but I wish they would leave in the other stuff.
still_grokking 4y ago
Given the down votes I guess I've got misunderstood. I didn't made any argument up to now. I've asked for the moral of that blog post in the light of the fact that there is also quite some censorship elsewhere in the world. Sure, Chinese censorship is bad (and the examples given are partly laughable in my opinion). But censorship is bad in general. This applies the same to for example the censorship we have in the EU. (And no, it's not "only some Nazi things"). Also it's a notable fact that the "justifications" given for our censorship are the exact same as the reasons given in, say, China (or likely elsewhere). The concrete censored content may differ, but behind that is the exact same line of reasoning: That there is "inappropriate" content the people need to be shielded from. That motivation is the part that is questionable at least. (Now I've made an argument). Actually this reveals a lot in which way governments think about the population, no matter the country. Still there seems to be a lot of black and white thinking in the line of "But we are the good ones, we have reasons, but just look what the bad ones do". I refuse to take part in this narrative. The world isn't as simple as that.
int_19h 4y ago
I still remember when they censored the Hitler scene in Castle Wolfenstein. You know, the one where he is presented as a raving syphilitic madman - literally the opposite of glorification. For those that haven't seen it, here's the comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQ1eBiRRRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQ1eBiRRRo

by tgv 4y ago

danjoredd 4y ago

I think its less holocaust and more pornography these days. That and violent video games are heavily censored for nonpolitical reasons like gore, nudity, etc. I am glad they censor the holocaust glorification, but I wish they would leave in the other stuff.

still_grokking 4y ago

Given the down votes I guess I've got misunderstood. I didn't made any argument up to now. I've asked for the moral of that blog post in the light of the fact that there is also quite some censorship elsewhere in the world. Sure, Chinese censorship is bad (and the examples given are partly laughable in my opinion). But censorship is bad in general. This applies the same to for example the censorship we have in the EU. (And no, it's not "only some Nazi things"). Also it's a notable fact that the "justifications" given for our censorship are the exact same as the reasons given in, say, China (or likely elsewhere). The concrete censored content may differ, but behind that is the exact same line of reasoning: That there is "inappropriate" content the people need to be shielded from. That motivation is the part that is questionable at least. (Now I've made an argument). Actually this reveals a lot in which way governments think about the population, no matter the country. Still there seems to be a lot of black and white thinking in the line of "But we are the good ones, we have reasons, but just look what the bad ones do". I refuse to take part in this narrative. The world isn't as simple as that.

int_19h 4y ago

I still remember when they censored the Hitler scene in Castle Wolfenstein. You know, the one where he is presented as a raving syphilitic madman - literally the opposite of glorification. For those that haven't seen it, here's the comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQ1eBiRRRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQ1eBiRRRo