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Getting money for running websites is also non-mandatory? Are we going to fund them from the government 5-year plans yet? Our hosting expenses alone are 8k per

by cft 4y ago

Getting money for running websites is also non-mandatory? Are we going to fund them from the government 5-year plans yet? Our hosting expenses alone are 8k per month.

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
> Getting money for running websites is also non-mandatory? Correct. I've only run a handful of websites in my life, but not one of them has ever served ads.
matkoniecz 4y ago
Github.com is example of website capable of limiting themself to nonessential cookies.
PeterisP 4y ago
People have a right to privacy. Your business doesn't have a right to profit. It's that simple. If following the requirements of society makes your business unprofitable, too bad, having a business is optional, following the requirements of society is not.
sofixa 4y ago
You can serve ads without tracking users across sites/apps to gain revenue. Not to mention other income generating activities such as partnerships, subscriptions, donations, etc.
- cft 4y ago
  Those ads will give you 10% of the RPM of the ads that track.
  - hedora 4y ago
    Publishers get 96% as much revenue per impression for non-targeted display ads: https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/targeted-ads-offer-little-extra-value-for-online-publishers-study-suggests/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/targeted-ads-offer-little-... The ad networks get a lot more for tracking based ads, and the advertisers supposedly get more conversions (though targeting fraud is a real, well-documented thing).
  - denton-scratch 4y ago
    Fencing stolen car stereos provides a better return than retailing legit electronics. Does that make laws against receiving stolen property an infringement of your freedom to do business? I don't have much sympathy for your predicament. Perhaps the market has a better use for your hosting facility than pumping out ads and tracking scripts.
denton-scratch 4y ago
> Getting money for running websites is also non-mandatory? Your business problems aren't our concern. If you're financing your business by stealing personal information from users and selling it to data brokers, then you're a crook. Crooks tend to have high hosting expenses.
- cft 4y ago
  "Our" as in Robespierre's Committee of Public Safety concern? What do you know about hosting expenses? I have been running a website that you know and use with 100m users since 2004!
  - ohgodplsno 4y ago
    The CSP has never been Robespierre's "property" and took decisions as a, well, committee. And yes, your expenses aren't our problem. Don't run a website if you can't pay for it.
  - denton-scratch 4y ago
    > I have been running a website that you know and use with 100m users since 2004 The only website that you know I use is this one. Are you saying that you run HN? I do not think you are that person. If that's not the site you're referring to, I'm rather curious to know what site it is that you run, that's had 100m users since 2004(!), that can correlate a site user with this HN user. Will you tell, please?
  - int_19h 4y ago
    "Our" as in all the people who don't want to be tracked.
throw_a_grenade 4y ago
Yes, it's not mandatory. In fact, running sites themselves is not mandatory, so if you can't find a way to run a site which respects its users, then I'd argue you should fail. That's the free market at its finest.

by cft 4y ago

Getting money for running websites is also non-mandatory? Are we going to fund them from the government 5-year plans yet? Our hosting expenses alone are 8k per month.

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

> Getting money for running websites is also non-mandatory? Correct. I've only run a handful of websites in my life, but not one of them has ever served ads.

matkoniecz 4y ago

Github.com is example of website capable of limiting themself to nonessential cookies.

PeterisP 4y ago

People have a right to privacy. Your business doesn't have a right to profit. It's that simple. If following the requirements of society makes your business unprofitable, too bad, having a business is optional, following the requirements of society is not.

sofixa 4y ago

You can serve ads without tracking users across sites/apps to gain revenue. Not to mention other income generating activities such as partnerships, subscriptions, donations, etc.

cft 4y ago
Those ads will give you 10% of the RPM of the ads that track.
- hedora 4y ago
  Publishers get 96% as much revenue per impression for non-targeted display ads: https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/targeted-ads-offer-little-extra-value-for-online-publishers-study-suggests/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/targeted-ads-offer-little-... The ad networks get a lot more for tracking based ads, and the advertisers supposedly get more conversions (though targeting fraud is a real, well-documented thing).
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  Fencing stolen car stereos provides a better return than retailing legit electronics. Does that make laws against receiving stolen property an infringement of your freedom to do business? I don't have much sympathy for your predicament. Perhaps the market has a better use for your hosting facility than pumping out ads and tracking scripts.

denton-scratch 4y ago

> Getting money for running websites is also non-mandatory? Your business problems aren't our concern. If you're financing your business by stealing personal information from users and selling it to data brokers, then you're a crook. Crooks tend to have high hosting expenses.

cft 4y ago
"Our" as in Robespierre's Committee of Public Safety concern? What do you know about hosting expenses? I have been running a website that you know and use with 100m users since 2004!
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  The CSP has never been Robespierre's "property" and took decisions as a, well, committee. And yes, your expenses aren't our problem. Don't run a website if you can't pay for it.
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  > I have been running a website that you know and use with 100m users since 2004 The only website that you know I use is this one. Are you saying that you run HN? I do not think you are that person. If that's not the site you're referring to, I'm rather curious to know what site it is that you run, that's had 100m users since 2004(!), that can correlate a site user with this HN user. Will you tell, please?
- int_19h 4y ago
  "Our" as in all the people who don't want to be tracked.

throw_a_grenade 4y ago

Yes, it's not mandatory. In fact, running sites themselves is not mandatory, so if you can't find a way to run a site which respects its users, then I'd argue you should fail. That's the free market at its finest.